Number theory find two smallest integers with same remainders

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The discussion revolves around finding the two smallest positive integers that yield specific remainders when divided by 3, 5, and 7. The initial solution proposed was 23 and 128, which was confirmed as correct. The method involved using modular arithmetic to derive the equations based on the given remainders. By expressing the numbers in the form of 7k + 2 and solving for k, the integers were identified as fitting the pattern 21n + 2. The conversation highlights the importance of formal methods in number theory for solving such problems.
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Homework Statement


Find the two smallest positive integers(different) having the remainders 2,3, and 2 when divided by 3,5, and 7 respectively.


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I got 23 and 128 as my answer. I tried using number theory where I started with 7x +2 as the number, then if divided by 5 the remainder would be 3 so subtract 3 from 7x+2 to get 7x-1 when I use this method and stop there by having x=0,1,2,3,... 3 works 7(3)-1 is divisible by 5 so put 3 in the original 7(3) +2 =23 Then I just used a trial and error method to find 128. Is my answer correct?? I know my procedure is sketchy because I have never been exposed to number theory.
 
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Your answers are correct. There are of course, more formal methods of solving it.
In number theory, we usually use the method of taking modulos. Let me illustrate this for the question below:

From the remainders, we have:
a == 2 (mod 3) - (1)
a == 3 (mod 5) - (2)
a == 2 (mod 7) - (3)

From (3), the numbers must have the form a = 7k+2, where k is any positive integer.

Using (1): 7k + 2 == 2 (mod 3)
This implies that 7k == 0 (mod 3), quite a useful result! Thus k = 3n, where n is any positive integer, and so our numbers a = 21n + 2.

Using (2): 21n + 2 == 3 (mod 5)
This implies that 21 n == 1 (mod 5). Since 21 == 1 (mod 5), n == 1 (mod 5) as well for the equation to hold.

Thus the numbers a that satisfy the conditions are of the form 21n + 2, n = 1,6,11,16,21...
The first two numbers are thus 21(1) + 2 = 23 and 21(6) + 2 = 128
 
Fightfish said:
Your answers are correct. There are of course, more formal methods of solving it.
In number theory, we usually use the method of taking modulos. Let me illustrate this for the question below:

From the remainders, we have:
a == 2 (mod 3) - (1)
a == 3 (mod 5) - (2)
a == 2 (mod 7) - (3)

From (3), the numbers must have the form a = 7k+2, where k is any positive integer.

Using (1): 7k + 2 == 2 (mod 3)
This implies that 7k == 0 (mod 3), quite a useful result! Thus k = 3n, where n is any positive integer, and so our numbers a = 21n + 2.

Using (2): 21n + 2 == 3 (mod 5)
This implies that 21 n == 1 (mod 5). Since 21 == 1 (mod 5), n == 1 (mod 5) as well for the equation to hold.

Thus the numbers a that satisfy the conditions are of the form 21n + 2, n = 1,6,11,16,21...
The first two numbers are thus 21(1) + 2 = 23 and 21(6) + 2 = 128

Thanks! I need to take a class on number theory!
 
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