O=(0,0,0) a=(1,-2,3) b=(-3,4,2)

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The discussion revolves around vector equations and their implications in a geometric context, particularly focusing on points A, B, and C in a three-dimensional space. Participants explore the relationships between these points, the equations of lines, and the angles formed by vectors. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to vector operations and geometry.

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  • Some participants discuss the notation $\vec{B}-\vec{A}=\overrightarrow{AB}$ and its implications, questioning the representation of vectors.
  • There is uncertainty about the meaning of the notation $B\hat{A}O$, with suggestions that it refers to the angle $BAO$ and the use of the law of cosines to find it.
  • Participants propose that when $s=2$, the coordinates of points are $\pmatrix {-3 \\ 4 \\ 2}$ and $\pmatrix {-11 \\ 16 \\ 0}$, although this is contested regarding the correct values for different $s$.
  • There is confusion regarding the system of equations derived from equating coordinates of point C with the vector equations, with some participants noting the presence of two unknowns, $k$ and $t$.
  • One participant calculates values for $t$ and $k$ based on the equations but expresses uncertainty about the correctness of the solution.
  • Another participant suggests a possible typo in the coordinates of point C, proposing that it should be $(k, -k, 5)$ instead of $(k, -k, -5)$.
  • There is a discussion about calculating the angle $BAO$ using the cosine formula, with differing interpretations of the vectors involved leading to potential discrepancies in the angle calculation.

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Participants express various interpretations and calculations, leading to multiple competing views on the correct values and relationships between the points and vectors. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on certain aspects, particularly regarding the coordinates of point C and the angle calculations.

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Some participants note the potential for typos in the problem statement, which could affect the interpretation of the coordinates and the resulting equations. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the systems of equations derived from the vector representations.

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(a) (i) $\vec{B}-\vec{A}=\overrightarrow{AB}$

(ii) not sure what the notation $B\hat{A}O$ means?

(b) well if I understand this, if s=2 the one point will be
$\pmatrix {-3 \\ 4 \\ 2}$
and the other will be
$\pmatrix {-11 \\ 16 \\ 0}$
(c) and (d) frankly I am clueless
 
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karush said:
(a) (i) $\vec{B}-\vec{A}=\overrightarrow{AB}$
I have not encountered denoting vectors by one point, as in $\vec{B}$. Here $O$ is the origin, so you can say that $\overrightarrow{AB}=\overrightarrow{OB}-\overrightarrow{OA}$. I assumed you have verified this equality for concrete coordinates of $A$ and $B$.

karush said:
(ii) not sure what the notation $B\hat{A}O$ means?
Probably this means angle $BAO$. You can use the law of cosines to find it.

karush said:
(b) well if I understand this, if s=2 the one point will be
$\pmatrix {-3 \\ 4 \\ 2}$
and the other will be
$\pmatrix {-11 \\ 16 \\ 0}$
No, the first point you get when $s=0$ and the second when $s=2$.

karush said:
(c) and (d) frankly I am clueless
$L_2$ has equation $\pmatrix {x \\ y \\ z}=\overrightarrow{OA}+t\overrightarrow{OB}$. Equating this with the coordinates of $C$ gives you a system of 3 equations with 2 unknowns.

Similarly, when you replace $\pmatrix {x \\ y \\ z}$ with the coordinates of $C$ in (d), you'll get a system in $p$.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
$L_2$ has equation $\pmatrix {x \\ y \\ z}=\overrightarrow{OA}+t\overrightarrow{OB}$. Equating this with the coordinates of $C$ gives you a system of 3 equations with 2 unknowns.
If $C$ is $\pmatrix{k \\ -k \\ -5}$ and so
$\pmatrix{k \\ -k \\ -5}=\pmatrix{1 \\ -2 \\ 3}
+t\pmatrix{-3 \\ 4 \\ 2}$

I presume the $2$ unknowns are $k$ and $-k$ even tho they are the same variable $k$. also don't see where the 3 equations really are. Its probably so obvious that I don't see it.

however if {x, y, 5} = {1, -2, 3}+{-3, 4, 2}

then

{x, y, 5} = {-2, 2, 5}

so k=-2 and -k=2 ? if t=1
 
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karush said:
If $C$ is $\pmatrix{k \\ -k \\ -5}$ and so
$\pmatrix{k \\ -k \\ -5}=\pmatrix{1 \\ -2 \\ 3}
+t\pmatrix{-3 \\ 4 \\ 2}$

I presume the $2$ unknowns are $k$ and $-k$ even tho they are the same variable $k$. also don't see where the 3 equations really are.
The unknowns are $k$ and $t$. The first equation is $k=1+t(-3)$. The other two equations result from equating the second and third coordinates.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
The unknowns are $k$ and $t$. The first equation is $k=1+t(-3)$. The other two equations result from equating the second and third coordinates.

ok from $-5=3+t(2)$ we get $t=-4$

so plug that in for $t$

$k=1+(-4)(-3)=1+12=13$
$-k=-2+(-4)(4)=-2-16=-18$

this doesn't solve?

for (a)(ii) find $B\hat{A}O$ I used
$\displaystyle \cos{\theta} = \frac{\vec{AB}\cdot\vec{OA}}{|\vec{AB}|\ |\vec{OA}|}=
\frac{-19}{\sqrt{742}}$

$\displaystyle cos^{-1}\left(\frac{-19}{\sqrt{742}}\right)\approx 134^o$
 
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karush said:
ok from $-5=3+t(2)$ we get $t=-4$

so plug that in for $t$

$k=1+(-4)(-3)=1+12=13$
$-k=-2+(-4)(4)=-2-16=-18$

this doesn't solve?
Looks like it. Maybe there is a typo in the question and $C$ should have coordinates $(k,-k,5)$ instead of $(k,-k,-5)$.

karush said:
for (a)(ii) find $B\hat{A}O$ I used
$\displaystyle \cos{\theta} = \frac{\vec{AB}\cdot\vec{OA}}{|\vec{AB}|\ |\vec{OA}|}=
\frac{-19}{\sqrt{742}}$

$\displaystyle cos^{-1}\left(\frac{-19}{\sqrt{742}}\right)\approx 134^o$
Angle $BAO$ is the angle between $\vec{AB}$ and $\vec{AO}$, not $\vec{OA}$. Otherwise you get the complement of angle $BAO$ to $180^\circ$. Correspondingly, I get the same value of the cosine, but with the opposite sign.
 

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