Object Distance for Mirrors versus Lenses

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of object distance in the context of mirrors versus lenses, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the object distance is considered negative for mirrors. Participants are seeking clarification on how this definition applies and its implications for image formation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about when the object distance is negative for mirrors, questioning how an image could be formed if the incoming light is on the opposite side of the mirror from the object.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource on sign conventions for lenses and mirrors, suggesting it may provide useful information.
  • A participant reiterates their belief that if the object and incident light are on opposite sides of the mirror, no image could be formed.
  • One participant questions whether the quoted definition might be misinterpreted, suggesting it could refer to the image being behind the mirror instead.
  • Another participant acknowledges understanding the positive and negative image distances but remains skeptical about the possibility of a negative object distance resulting in any image formation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express disagreement regarding the conditions under which the object distance can be negative for mirrors and its implications for image formation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the definitions or the resulting effects on image creation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific definitions and interpretations that may depend on the context or source material, indicating potential limitations in understanding the sign conventions used.

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We are finishing up light and I'm a little confused on when the object distance would be negative when we are talking about mirrors and not lenses. The definition we were given is that the object distance is negative if the incoming light is on the opposite side of the mirror then the object is. I don't understand how\if that would make any images of the object, wouldn't the mirror be in the way of the incident light?

Thanks for any clarification.
 
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I googled sign convention lens mirror and, amongst a lot of hits, http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/~johannes/optics_lecture/overheads06_1_3_7-1_4_3.pdf . Any use?
 
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Thanks. It still looks like there wouldn't be any way the light could create an image if they are on opposite sides of a mirror.
 
I haven't read the actual passage that you are quoting from. Are you sure it isn't talking of the image being behind the mirror? IS it just a translation problem?
 
I can understand how the image distance can be positive or negative, I just don't see any instance when the object distance would be considered negative and you still get any kind of image. If the physical object is on one side of the mirror and the incident rays are coming from the other, then that tells me there would be no image formed real or virtual.
 

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