ODE Approaching the expicit solution

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of solving a nonlinear ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by xy' + 2y = sec²(y)/x. Participants explore various methods and hints for approaching the problem, including potential analytical and numerical solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) expresses difficulty in determining a method to solve the nonlinear ODE.
  • Some participants suggest hints related to derivatives, specifically d(tan(y))/dy and d(x²y)/dx, questioning their utility in making the ODE separable.
  • One participant argues that the hints are not intended to make the ODE separable but rather to guide the OP without providing direct answers.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the possibility of finding an analytical solution using standard functions, recommending numerical methods instead.
  • There is a request for additional hints, with a suggestion that since the question is not part of coursework, more substantial guidance could be acceptable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the solvability of the ODE analytically. There are competing views regarding the usefulness of the hints provided and the appropriateness of offering more substantial assistance.

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Limitations include the potential dependence on the definitions of terms used in the hints and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in solving the ODE.

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Hi there,
This ode has me really stumped. Since it is non linear, I don't know which method to use for this:

[tex]xy' + 2y = \frac{sec^2(y)}{x}[/tex]

Thank you :)
 
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There are two hints that may be useful (or not).

[itex]\frac{d(tan(y))}{dy}=?[/itex]

[itex]\frac{d(x^2 y)}{dx}=?[/itex]
 
coelho said:
There are two hints that may be useful (or not).

[itex]\frac{d(tan(y))}{dy}=?[/itex]

[itex]\frac{d(x^2 y)}{dx}=?[/itex]

I'm not the OP but I'm interested to know how this can help. I calculated both of the derivatives and I notice something (not sure I can tell) but is that supposed to make the DE separable? Because it doesn't, to me. :/
 
This small hints aren't supposed to make the DE separable. They are just things i noticed when looking to the DE, things that beginners usually don't notice, and that may put him (or her) one step closer to the solution, as we aren't supposed to give straightaway answers or hints that make they work too easy.
 
Hello !

I don't think that the ODE can be analytically solved in using only standard functions.
So, I strongly suggest to use numerical methods instead of searching an explicit solution.
Nevertheless, approximate analytic solutions can be obtained, depending on the range where they are derived. An example is given in attachment.
 

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I'm also totally stuck in solving this DE in analytical form. Maybe coelho could give 1 more hint. Also since this question isn't in the homework section, it's supposedly not a coursework question and giving huge hints shouldn't be a problem (IMO).
 

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