Offset Limits in RIGOL Oscilloscope

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of displaying a slow-changing signal from a photodetector on a RIGOL Oscilloscope, particularly focusing on offset limits in AC and DC modes. Participants explore potential solutions for effectively visualizing the signal within the constraints of the oscilloscope's settings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Markus describes the issue of displaying a slow-changing signal at 5V ±100mV on the oscilloscope, noting limitations in AC-mode and DC-mode offset ranges.
  • Some participants suggest using a non-changing reference signal for subtraction to eliminate offset, while others propose creating a reference signal using a low-pass filter or a power supply set to the average voltage.
  • Markus indicates that the signal is generated by a photodetector and does not have a stable reference signal.
  • One participant suggests using the power supply of the photodetector as a reference voltage, but Markus points out that the output DC component varies with each measurement.
  • A later reply recommends inserting a difference amplifier after the photodetector to help manage the offset issue.
  • Another participant discusses the potential use of a Zener diode and resistor values, emphasizing that these values depend on specific conditions related to the detector's output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on how to address the offset issue, with no consensus reached on a single solution. Various methods are proposed, but the effectiveness of each remains uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations regarding the need for a stable reference signal and the variability of the photodetector's output, which complicates the proposed solutions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific component values and configurations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals working with oscilloscopes in experimental settings, particularly those dealing with slow-changing signals and offset management in electronic measurements.

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Hello,

I have a very specific problem and didn't find any way to solve it.
My signal is very slow changing at 5V +-100mV
When I want to display this signal on my RIGOL Oscilloscope, the problem is, that with AC-mode I don't see those slow changes and in DC-mode the offset range is limited to 2V when displaying <500mV/DIV.
My changes are around 100mV so my display settings need to be 100mv/DIV.
Is there any way to display this kind of signals?

Thanks in advance
Markus
 
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Welcome to the PF, Markus.

Do you have a non-changing 5V reference signal? If so, use two 'scope probes and do a math subtraction (like A = Ch1-Ch2) to be able to get rid of the offset...
 
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No I don't have any reference signal. The signal is created by a photodetector after light passes through a fibre. So the voltage depends on the light passing through the fibre, which is slow-changing.
 
Then you could make one, with a very-lowpass-filter. Or use a power supply that you set to the average voltage. Are you digitizing the signal and doing any post-processing?
 
Okay I will give that one a try, Thanks!
Yes I need to send the data via USB to MATLAB afterwards.
 
You can probably use the power supply of the photodetector as a reference voltage, perhaps through a voltage divider if needed.
 
The power supply of the photodetector is constant, while the output DC component is changing for every measurement depending on the light through the fiber. That would mean that for every measurement I have to adjust the voltage divider.
 
Insert a difference amplifier after the photodetector:
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Connect V2 to the +5V supply and V1 to the photodetector output. The value of R depends on the choice of Op-Amp, but I would recommend something around 0.1 -1MΩ.
 

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Thank you for your useful instructions :smile:
 
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How about this? Depending in the DC level from the detector, you may want the Zener to be 3.3V. The 2.2k resistor value is just a starting suggestion, the actual value depends on the maximum available output current of the detector and the leakage current of the Zener.

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Cheers,
Tom
 

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