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Relativity On Sean Carroll's General Relativity textbook

  1. Jun 24, 2016 #1
    I have heard/read that Carroll's Spacetime and Geometry: An Introduction to General Relativity is one of the best books on General Relativity but its price is insanely high!
    Does anybody know any place which sells it at a lower price than, say, Amazon?
    If not, what are other books that cover GR on the same level as this one and at the same quality?
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  3. Jun 24, 2016 #2


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    Abe Books has it for less than 20 bucks. But then again, I can see a used copy on Amazon for $23. What is 'insanely high' for you?
  4. Jun 24, 2016 #3
    I got used books more than once and at more than a few occasions they turned out to be "more used" than described. So, I will be sticking with new ones. So, they sell a new copy for about 90 dollars(the cheapest) plus shipping expenses.
    I also got books from Abe Books, and again, many of them turned out to be of very low quality. I don't care about low quality, but when I say very low quality, I mean they did not stand the test of time(a year)
  5. Jun 24, 2016 #4


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    They sell new 'international editions' on Abe Books for <$20. These are lower quality prints intended mostly for Asian markets.
  6. Jun 24, 2016 #5
    Yeah, I know. I have used them at many occasions. But, as I said, only a few stood the test of time.
  7. Jun 24, 2016 #6


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    Are you not familiar w/ the term "you get what you pay for" ?

    If you're willing to take the time, you can ask AMAZON sellers whether their used versions are the crappy international editions and that way you should be able to avoid them but still get a used one for a reasonable price that won't fall apart so quickly.
  8. Jun 24, 2016 #7
    For future reference, not all "international editions" are created equal. Springer's India branch, for example, produces excellent softcovers on par with Cambridge, Yale, and the University of Chicago's presses.

    This one probably isn't what you want, though. I have one Pearson international edition(a copy of Hecht's Optics,) and its one of the "newsprint paper" copies you're probably familiar with. I do check the reviews on international editions thoroughly now, before buying.

    Still, I do highly recommend Springer's India branch.

    As far as your other question in the first post, Schutz has a good pace for a first introduction. Wald is quite good and even further less expensive, but plan on supplementing it or getting additional help here and elsewhere, since his presentation is rather brisk. For example, Wald derives the Einstein field equations by page 72 out of 491, and the rest of the book is solutions and applications.

    Also, you could download the notes Carroll's book is based on from his website and work through those first, then supplement with a meatier reference like Wald. There are other GR course notes floating around, but the only ones I'm familiar with are Carroll's.

    Another excellent supplement is Leonard Susskind's video lecture series on GR. There are other video series as well, but I can't speak to them yet.

    (Edit: by "Schutz," I mean A First Course in General Relativity 2e, not Gravity From the Ground Up, with which I am not familiar.)
  9. Jun 24, 2016 #8
    Well, I have checked and there is one international edition of Carroll's book, but that is from Pearson New. I have also got the international edition of Hecht, by the same publisher and it is crap. So, I suppose the international edition for Carroll's book will also be ****.
  10. Jun 24, 2016 #9
    Oh, I also recommend you read and work through Baez and Bunn's paper The Meaning of Einstein's Equation several times over the course of your time learning GR. It's got some lovely insights:
  11. Jun 24, 2016 #10
    Wow, this is great! Thanks!
  12. Jun 24, 2016 #11
    Oh, and Lightman, Press, Price, Teukolsky's Problem Book in Relativity and Gravitation is available free online now, too(requires Flash:) http://www.nrbook.com/relativity/
  13. Jun 24, 2016 #12
    This used to be the case and I always got the springer India edition. Sadly, this is no longer the case though. Recently I purchased a few SIEs from India and out of 4 , three turned out to be of bad quality like the rest of the Indian editions. Wiley student editions printed in India takes the cake for being the worse in printing though!
  14. Jun 24, 2016 #13
    Ah, that's a shame. Thanks for the heads up.
  15. Jun 24, 2016 #14
    BTW, if anyone is buying international editions from Abebooks, I can recommend Sunshine Book store. I purchased from many Abe-sellers and Sunshine turned out to be the best in terms of reliability and you get your books in about 5 days (in the USA). I have no ties with them - just a happy customer.
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