One dimensional harmonic oscillator

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The discussion revolves around the expected value of energy for a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator, given a specific wavefunction. The original poster presents the wavefunction and seeks to determine the expected energy value, while grappling with the normalization of the wavefunction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the normalization of the wavefunction and the implications of the constant A. Questions arise regarding the necessity of confirming normalization before proceeding with probabilistic calculations.

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Participants are actively discussing the normalization of the wavefunction and the role of the constant A. Some have provided insights into the integration process and the use of the Gamma function, while others emphasize the importance of ensuring the wavefunction is normalized before further calculations.

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There is an ongoing examination of the wavefunction's normalization, with some participants suggesting that the presence of A indicates a need for normalization checks. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the implications of normalization in quantum mechanics.

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Homework Statement


One dimensional harmonic oscillator is at the beginning in state with wavefunction ##\psi (x,0)=Aexp(-\frac{(x-x_0)^2}{2a^2})exp(\frac{ip_0x}{\hbar })##.
What is the expected value of full energy?

Homework Equations



##<E>=<\psi ^{*}|H|\psi >=\sum \left | C_n \right |^2E_n##

The Attempt at a Solution



So I tried to find ##C_n=\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }A^2exp(-\frac{(x-x_0)^2}{a^2})dx##

But I have no idea on what to do with this integral.. Whatever I do, i keep getting this integral. What can i do here?
 
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Can you check if your wavefunction is normalized to 1 ?
 
##\psi (x,0)=Aexp(-\frac{(x-x_0)^2}{2a^2})exp(\frac{ip_0x}{\hbar })####A^2\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }\psi ^{*}\psi dx=1## the integral is of course ##1##, therefore ##A^2=1##.

Yes, it is normalized.
 
Have you done the integral by yourself?
 
Why would I?

##\psi ^{*}(x)\psi (x)= \left | \psi (x) \right |^2## which is the probability that we will find a particle at coordinate x. Well, not exactly there, but close to x.

If I integrate probability from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, which are all the values for x, the integral will for sure be equal to 1, because the electron has to be somewhere in ##(-\infty, \infty)##
 
You have an unknown in the wavefunction, namely A. You have to check the wavefunction is properly normalized to unity before applying in probabilistic calculations. By checking this, you get an equation from which you can determine A in terms of x_0 and 'a'.
 
skrat said:
Why would I?

##\psi ^{*}(x)\psi (x)= \left | \psi (x) \right |^2## which is the probability that we will find a particle at coordinate x. Well, not exactly there, but close to x.

If I integrate probability from ##-\infty## to ##\infty##, which are all the values for x, the integral will for sure be equal to 1, because the electron has to be somewhere in ##(-\infty, \infty)##
That is only the case if your wave function is normalized. The presence of A in ##\psi(x,0)## suggests that you should actually solve the equation ##\langle \psi | \psi \rangle = 1## for A so as to obtain this normalization constant. It may be the case that such an A is impossible to find but given that the wave function at t=0 describes a physical system, you can be sure it exists.

If the wave function is normalizable at some arbitrary t, it can be proved it stays normalizable for all t, so you may use your initial wave function in your calculation.
 
So..

##\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }\left | A \right |^2exp(-\frac{(x-x_0)^2}{a^2})dx=1##

For ##x-x_0## than ##\int_{-\infty }^{\infty }\left | A \right |^2exp(-\frac{u^2}{a^2})du=1##

Now with substitution ##t=\frac{u^2}{a^2}## we convert this integral to something we can calculate using Euler's Gamma function, therefore the equation is now ##\left | A \right |^2a\sqrt{\pi }=1##

That should do it.

And, I think i just found out how to calculate the integral in my original (first) post... -.- Sorry, for stealing your time.

However, since i am already here, let me ask you this: So every time I see A in the wavefunction or is there A hint to check if the wavefunction is normalized, this is what I have to do. Right?

Again, I apologize, i couldn't see that gamma function before...
 
skrat said:
However, since i am already here, let me ask you this: So every time I see A in the wavefunction or is there A hint to check if the wavefunction is normalized, this is what I have to do. Right?
Yes, A is a multiplicative constant to the wave function to make it normalized. So when you want to normalize the wave function, finding the right A is what is meant.
 

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