Op Amp Subtractor, Integrator, Differentiator & Inverter Uses

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The discussion focuses on the practical uses of operational amplifier (op amp) configurations, specifically subtractors, integrators, differentiators, and inverters. Participants explore various applications and theoretical implications of these circuits in both practical and conceptual contexts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention the use of op amp adders as audio mixers and inquire about other applications for subtractors, integrators, differentiators, and inverters.
  • One participant notes that a comparator can be viewed as a subtractor with a very high gain, suggesting its practical uses.
  • There is a humorous remark about inverters being a "Tea Party Filter," indicating a light-hearted approach to the topic.
  • Another participant equates integrators with low pass filters and differentiators with high pass filters, questioning the necessity of op amps in these configurations.
  • A participant argues that active filters have advantages over passive ones, prompting a question about mathematical comparisons between the two types.
  • One participant shares a specific application involving an integrator to measure phase differences between square waves, detailing the process of using an XOR gate and the significance of integrating a rectangular pulse wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the applications of op amp configurations, with no clear consensus on the necessity of op amps for certain filtering applications. The discussion includes both agreement on some theoretical aspects and differing opinions on practical implementations.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about circuit design and functionality that may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the mathematical comparisons between active and passive filters.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to electronics enthusiasts, students learning about operational amplifiers, and professionals seeking to explore practical applications of op amp circuits.

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What are the practical uses of op amp subtractor, integrator, differentiator, inverter?

One I know that of op amp adder is that they can be used as audio mixer .
 
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Hyperspace2 said:
What are the practical uses of op amp subtractor, integrator, differentiator, inverter?

One I know that of op amp adder is that they can be used as audio mixer .

Good thought on the adder/mixer. What would be some uses that you can think of for the other opamp building blocks that you mention?
 
Technically a comparator is a type of subtractor. Consider it a subtractor with a very very very very very very very large gain. Not too hard to think of uses for a comparator.
 
Integrator == low pass filter
Differentiator == high pass filter
Inverter == Tea Party Filter... just kidding, sorry...
 
schip666! said:
Inverter == Tea Party Filter... just kidding, sorry...

:smile:
 
Averagesupernova said:
Technically a comparator is a type of subtractor. Consider it a subtractor with a very very very very very very very large gain. Not too hard to think of uses for a comparator.
Ok I got it.
schip666! said:
Integrator == low pass filter
Differentiator == high pass filter
Inverter == Tea Party Filter... just kidding, sorry...
Yeah, I also came to learn about the low pass filter and high pass filter too. But I think of them now as a independent circuit elements . Aren't they just combination of Resisitor and capacitors? I don't think they need op amp. Active High pass filter are just the combination of filter and op amp for High pass filter and amplification respectively. Similar in the case of the active low pass filter. Amn't I correct?
 
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An active filter has advantages over a passive. Have you done the math and made some comparisons?
 
Something I've recently worked with using an integrator. Perhaps might be of help.

The goal is to measure phase between two square waves. If you feed the two signals into a XOR gate, then one can show that the output will have different width or delta t which is directly proportional to a phase between the square waves.

The output looks something like this:

[PLAIN]http://www.pcsilencioso.com/cpemma/graphics/swave.gif


The wider the signal, the more phase difference there is. Now, what you want to do is to get DC voltage output that is proportional to the phase difference, and all you have is this rectangular pulse wave. How would you recover the width?

The answer is with an integrator. We known that the amplitude is constant. If you integrate this rectangular pulse wave, then you get the area under the rectangle which is (Amplitude * Delta t) and the delta t is the width you are after which is proportional to phase difference.
 
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Averagesupernova said:
An active filter has advantages over a passive. Have you done the math and made some comparisons?
No I haven't tried it yet. I would like to look at it now.
what said:
Something I've recently worked with using an integrator. Perhaps might be of help.

The goal is to measure phase between two square waves. If you feed the two signals into a XOR gate, then one can show that the output will have different width or delta t which is directly proportional to a phase between the square waves.

The output looks something like this:

[PLAIN]http://www.pcsilencioso.com/cpemma/graphics/swave.gif


The wider the signal, the more phase difference there is. Now, what you want to do is to get DC voltage output that is proportional to the phase difference, and all you have is this rectangular pulse wave. How would you recover the width?

The answer is with an integrator. We known that the amplitude is constant. If you integrate this rectangular pulse wave, then you get the area under the rectangle which is (Amplitude * Delta t) and the delta t is the width you are after which is proportional to phase difference.

Thanks for sharing . I am the begineer . I have to go long way ahead to view yours. I think you have many things for sharing.
 
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