What is the Uniqueness of Operators Acting on Bras in Quantum Mechanics?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the action of operators on bras and kets in Quantum Mechanics. It is noted that the same operator can act on both vectors, but it is technically a different operator that acts on the dual space. The uniqueness of this operator is determined by the one-to-one correspondence between bras and kets in a Hilbert space. However, this is not necessarily true for Rigged Hilbert Spaces. Dirac's use of the Dirac Delta function is also mentioned, which can lead to trouble in Rigged Hilbert Spaces. The conversation concludes with a brief discussion on the uniqueness of the operator defined on the space of duals.
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In Quantum Mechanics, we have linear operators which can act on a ket to produce a new ket. However, we also allow the same operators to act on a bra vector to produce a new bra vector. That is, if [itex]\langle\phi|[/itex] is a bra and A is an operator, the action of A on [itex]\langle\phi|[/itex] is to produce a new bra denoted by [itex]\langle\phi|A[/itex]. Furthermore, we demand that
[tex]\left(\langle\phi|A\right)|\psi\rangle=\langle\phi|\left(A|\psi\rangle\right)[/tex]
for all kets [itex]|\psi\rangle[/itex].

This is how the action of an operator on a bra vector was (roughly) described in Dirac's Principles, as well as in other texts that I've seen. Next, Dirac asserts that this "uniquely determines" [itex]\langle\phi|A[/itex].

I was trying to prove, or at least justify this claim, but to no avail. Nor have I seen a proof anywhere else. Can anyone help?
 
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The uniqueness follows from the assumed one to one correspondence between bras and kets. A acting on a ket produces another ket that when acted on by a bra defines a linear function on that ket (the one the linear operator produces). But you can also consider it a linear function of the original ket before it was acted on by the operator so defines another bra which is defined as the bra that results from A acting on the bra.

The thing to realize however in Dirac's presentation is it untrue. It is true, that the Bras and Kets can be put into one to one correspondence for a Hilbert space but untrue for what is called a Rigged Hilbert Space. However it is only Rigged Hilbert spaces that allow the introduction of the Dirac Delta function used liberally by Dirac.

Eventually its probably a good idea to learn about Rigged Hilbert Spaces, and Ballentine gives a good introduction, but for now simply think of the Dirac Delta function as an actual function that for all practical purposes is a Dirac Delta function but strictly speaking it isn't. This is similar to what you see sometimes in applied math where dx is considered a quantity of first order smallness rather than what it actually is a differential form.

Thanks
Bill
 
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dEdt said:
In Quantum Mechanics, we have linear operators which can act on a ket to produce a new ket. However, we also allow the same operators to act on a bra vector to produce a new bra vector [...]

This is technically not correct. It's NOT the same operator, but a shifted operator from the original Hilbert space into the topological dual of a dense subset of it. It's called the dual operator and acts linearly on linear functionals on the original Hilbert space producing other linear functionals.
 
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... and for rigged Hilbert spaces you may run into big trouble ...

be careful with Dirac's notation: suppose you have the position operator x, the momentum operator p and momentum eigenstates |k>; now let's calculate

<k'|[x,p]|k> = <k'|xp-px|k> = <k'|xk-k'y|k> = (k-k') <k'|x-x|k> = 0

and

<k'|[x,p]|k> = <k'|i|k> = i δ(k'-k) ≠ 0

:frown:
 
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bhobba said:
The uniqueness follows from the assumed one to one correspondence between bras and kets.

Sorry, but what does this mean?
 
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dEdt said:
Sorry, but what does this mean?

Let me give this a shot! (I'm stealing pretty much all of this from Ballentine - even the notation - since I'm reading most of it myself at the moment. This is my way of practicing to see if I understand it.)

For a given n-dimensional vector space [itex]V[/itex], a linear functional [itex]F(\phi)[/itex] in the corresponding dual space [itex]V'[/itex] is defined by a unique vector [itex]f[/itex] by the inner product [itex]F(\phi) = (f, \phi)[/itex] with [itex]\phi[/itex] being any arbitrary vector in [itex]V[/itex]. For any set of orthonormal basis vectors [itex]\{ \phi_n \}[/itex] for [itex]V[/itex], we can uniquely write any vector in [itex]V[/itex] by expanding it in terms of its basis vectors: [itex]\psi = \sum_n x_n \phi_n[/itex], with [itex]F(\psi) = \sum_n x_n F(\phi_n)[/itex]. To show the uniqueness of any [itex]F(\psi)[/itex], we first construct a vector [itex]f = \sum_n [F(\phi_n)] ^* \phi_n[/itex]. When we take the inner product [itex](f, \psi)[/itex], we obtain [itex]\sum_n x_n F(\phi_n) = F(\psi)[/itex]. Thus, [itex]F(\psi)[/itex] is uniquely defined for each [itex]\psi[/itex].
 
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dextercioby said:
This is technically not correct. It's NOT the same operator, but a shifted operator from the original Hilbert space into the topological dual of a dense subset of it. It's called the dual operator and acts linearly on linear functionals on the original Hilbert space producing other linear functionals.

Yea that's true - in what I said it defines a new operator acting on the dual but is in fact a different operator.

Thanks
Bill
 
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dEdt said:
Sorry, but what does this mean?

The uniqueness of the operator thus defined acting on the space of duals (technically that's what bras are) - it would have been better for me to say the uniqueness and linearity of the operator thus defined which is the real issue ie a linear operator acting on Kets also defines a unique linear operator acting on Bra's - but your question was in terms of uniqueness.

Thanks
Bill
 
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What are operators acting on bras?

Operators acting on bras are mathematical operations that act on the bra vector in a quantum mechanical system. These operators can be used to calculate the expected value of a particular observable or to transform the state of a system.

What is the role of operators in quantum mechanics?

In quantum mechanics, operators are used to represent physical observables such as position, momentum, and energy. They act on the wave function of a system to produce measurable results.

What are the different types of operators in quantum mechanics?

There are several types of operators in quantum mechanics, including Hermitian operators, unitary operators, and projection operators. Hermitian operators represent observables with real eigenvalues, unitary operators preserve the norm of a state vector, and projection operators project a state onto a subspace.

How do operators act on bras?

Operators act on bras by performing a mathematical operation on the bra vector, resulting in a new bra vector. This new vector represents the expected value of the observable being measured or the new state of the system after the operator has acted.

What is the significance of operators acting on bras in quantum mechanics?

Operators acting on bras are essential in quantum mechanics as they allow us to make predictions about the behavior of a system. By using operators, we can calculate the expected value of observables and make predictions about the future state of a system.

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