Opposing force of pushing air through a duct vs outside it?

In summary: It is difficult to estimate the exact percentage of performance loss without specific measurements and calculations. In summary, pushing air through a tube can create a significant opposing force on a disk, but the presence of a gap between the cylinder and tube wall may reduce its efficiency.
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I'm an average joe here, trying to figure something out. Let's say I have a tube and a disk that travels from top to bottom pushing air kinda like a pump. Both tube ends are open so as air is pushed out of the bottom end, more air flows in through the top.
Here is my question: Does pushing air through a tube produce more opposing force on that disk, than it would if that disk was doing the same motion outside the tube? If so, what could be a good estimate percentage wise?
Also, would a couple of millimeters gap between the cylinder and the tube wall, negate any gains in performance?
Thanks!
 
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dennis_n said:
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Here is my question: Does pushing air through a tube produce more opposing force on that disk, than it would if that disk was doing the same motion outside the tube? If so, what could be a good estimate percentage wise?
Also, would a couple of millimeters gap between the cylinder and the tube wall, negate any gains in performance?
Thanks!
The net force on the disk is the difference in pressure from one side to the other multiplied by the area of the disk. The ambient pressure is atmospheric pressure - about 14.7 pounds force/square inch or 10,000 kgf/m2 (100,000 N/m2 or Pascals). If you cover the top of the tube and pump (or blow) air into it and if there is a seal between the disk and the inside of the tube, the added air has no where to go so pressure increases significantly above the disk. The pressure on the bottom remains the ambient pressure. So you end up with a significant pressure difference and net downward force on the disk. But if you don't confine the air, it is not so easy to create a significant pressure difference.

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1. What is the difference between the opposing forces of pushing air through a duct and outside of it?

The opposing force of pushing air through a duct is known as static pressure, which is caused by the resistance of the duct walls and any obstructions within the duct. Outside of the duct, the opposing force is atmospheric pressure, which is the weight of the air above a given point.

2. How does the opposing force of pushing air affect the flow rate?

The greater the opposing force of pushing air, the lower the flow rate will be. This is because a stronger opposing force requires more energy to overcome, resulting in a slower flow rate.

3. Can the opposing force of pushing air be manipulated?

Yes, the opposing force of pushing air can be manipulated by adjusting the speed of the fan or blower that is pushing the air through the duct. The higher the speed, the greater the opposing force will be.

4. How does the shape and size of the duct impact the opposing force of pushing air?

The shape and size of the duct can greatly affect the opposing force of pushing air. A smaller duct with a more complex shape will create more resistance and therefore a greater opposing force than a larger, straight duct.

5. Is the opposing force of pushing air the same throughout the entire duct?

No, the opposing force of pushing air can vary within a duct. This is because the resistance and obstructions within the duct are not always evenly distributed. In general, the opposing force will be greater at the beginning of the duct and gradually decrease as the air flows towards the end of the duct.

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