Opposing Moments on Levered Beam

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to bend a steel beam to a specified radius, focusing on the application of mechanics of materials principles. Participants explore various approaches to determine the necessary moments and forces acting on the beam.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests calculating the deflection required to achieve a bending radius of 7.5m by assuming the beam is fixed at one end and using a deflection formula.
  • Another participant proposes using the relationship M/I = σ/y = E/R to find the moment, indicating that E is known for the material and R is given.
  • A participant reports calculating a moment of 1.25 x 10^6 N/m using a second moment of area value and Young's modulus for steel, leading to a force of 9.9 x 10^5 N at points C and D, expressing concern that this value seems high.
  • Another participant recalculates the second moment of area, arriving at a different value of 2.701 x 10^-5 m^4, which alters the results and leads to a moment of 1.441 x 10^5 N, suggesting that the initial calculations should be double-checked.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing calculations for the second moment of area and the resulting moments and forces, indicating that there is no consensus on the correct values or methods to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific assumptions regarding the beam's properties and the application of formulas, but there are unresolved discrepancies in the calculations of the second moment of area and resulting forces.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the force F1 to bend the beam AB to a radius of 7.5m. Assume the beam is a steel tube 200mm OD with wall thickness 20mm. The arm's AC and BD can be assumed rigid.

The force F1 acts on pivots at C and D and is always in the x direction.

Homework Equations



I = pi (do4 - di4) / 64



The Attempt at a Solution



My first thought was to assume the beam was fixed at one end and then work out the deflection required to achieve a a radius of 7.5m. From this I substituted into the deflection formula to work out a point load need on the end of the cantilevered beam to produce the deflection.

I think i should be calculating the moment at point C and D but I'm struggling a bit, any help would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Why not just use

M/I = σ/y = E/R

E is given for the material and you know R. Just get M.
 
Thanks rock.freak667.

i have since found this formula and came out with an answer of 1.25 x 10^6 N/m for the moment required.

this is using a value of 4.637 x 10^-5 for the second moment of area and a young's modulus of 200GPa for the steel.

As the arms at the end of the beam are 1.25m long then the required force at points C and D would be 9.9 x 10^5 N.

This seem a little high?
 
When I calculated the second moment of area I got 2.701*10^-5 m^4 based on this:
I=\frac{\pi*\left[\left(200mm\right)^{4}-\left(200mm-20mm\right)^{4}\right]}{64}=2.701\times10^{-5}m^{4}

This would change your results a little bit. Solving out the ratio before of M/I = E/R gives:

\frac{M}{I}=\frac{E}{R}

M=\frac{EI}{R}

M=1.441\times10^{5}N

I would definitely double check what I did. 32,394 pounds of force seems reasonable to me though.
 

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