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News Oprah preaches about Obama

  1. Dec 11, 2007 #1

    I can hardly believe these people aren't the laughing stock of the country. It's actually really scary that people who talk like that in politics aren't totally ignored.
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  4. Dec 12, 2007 #3
    You mean all politicians & their supporters talk like that in the US? Does everyone think Barack Obama is "the way, the truth & the life?"
  5. Dec 12, 2007 #4
    No, but apparently Oprah does. Honestly, I don't see anything unusual in this article. Religion is, and always has been, a big part of politics, unfortunately.
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    It's a shame that policitians resort to religious rhetoric when campaigning or speaking in public. I find it rather disingenuous, but the many in the public lap it up.
  7. Dec 12, 2007 #6
    It may be a shame. But I hardly find it suprising.
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    It's not unusual, but it's still appalling.

    If Obama would drop his hokey "evangelist for President" schtick, I might have voted for him. It's just makes me doubt his honesty. Ok, so I doubt the honesty of all of them, he just stands out as a major disappointment in my mind.

    The problem is anyone that honestly announces that they aren't the pawns of their religious convictions won't get elected in the US.

    It's just really sad, I hate election time, it just reminds me of how much control organized religion has over everything we do. :frown:
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  9. Dec 12, 2007 #8
    Actually Obama is one of the braver ones. Nearly all politicians "cater" to their crowd in order to gain more votes. For many of them, it's an issue of who they're talking to, not what they're talking about. Heck, you can have non-religious politicans suddenly becoming "spiritual" when confronting a religious crowd. It's about votes, and ultimately politics has become more about PR than it has about standing up for real ideas.
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    Religion has to permeate political rallies simply because most Americans are religious, and they are accustomed to receiving moral guidance when it is couched in religious rhetoric. The good news is that few elected politicians, with the exception of Dubya, go on to actually make decisions based solely on their religious convictions. Most of them seem to use religion as leverage to gain votes, but then mostly leave it at the door when it comes time to make decisions.

    I'm sure there are millions of counter-examples, but this is my overall view -- it's mostly just a parlor trick to get elected.

    - Warren
  11. Dec 12, 2007 #10
    Do you really think religions have that much control over our lives? I don't. When's the last time you weren't able to do something you wanted because of religion?

    Again, why does this suprise anybody? This is the way politics is, and this is the way politics will be forever. Probably one reason I have pretty much no confidence in politics.

    I agree. And this isn't only with regards to religion. There seems to be many cases in which politicians say one thing for votes, yet they do another. Usually they're much more talk then they are action. Or in other words, "All bark and no bite!"
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    Watched uncensored TV. Perhaps you aren't aware of how organized religion affects our every day lives. Two friends of mine from high school became "born again Southern Baptists". They talked me into going to one of their "prayer meeting's". First they prayed that they would all become rich, seriously. then the rest of the meeting was devoted to writing campaigns to get tv shows that they disliked cancelled. The "minister" told them that marketing research considered there were 10,000 real people for every 1 letter the networks and sponsors received. Pre-prepared letter templates complaining about the shows (which most had never even watched) were handed out and each church member was asked to re-write or retype them onto their own stationary, then bring them in to next week's meeting where the letters would then be driven by volunteers to a number of mailboxes in the surrounding counties so they didn't all appear to be coming from one place.

    They don't stop at tv shows, it's anything that they disagree with. You have no idea how many of our little "freedoms" we've lost thanks to organized religion. I can't buy alcohol on Sundays here at the grocery store - Blue Law (church). Just lots and lots of things.

    Similar to the edict that came out recently from the Catholic church warning all Catholics not to vote for anyone that was not pro-life.
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  13. Dec 12, 2007 #12
    I think it was Christiane Amanpour's "God's Warriors" special where some religious nut said they wouldn't give up trying to make abortions illegal. They would wait out the Supreme Court until they have no more "activist judges" so they can get the ruling they want. They're no different from the Scientologists in that respect.
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    In US, that is. There's another world out there too, where politics is not show business.
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    What world is that?
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    They're OK, just normal lying schemers - what scares me is the ones that don't use it to get votes but do believe it when they get through the door (eg. Tony Blair).
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    You actually believe that? Politics everywhere and forever is show business.
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    This is part of my point. I imagine most of these people completely hate most of the stuff on TV. Yet, they rarely ever get it off the air, because I believe they are lacking the power. They also fight hard against pornography, but they don't seem to be winning that battle either. I think their power is very limited, which is definitely a good thing.

    I think they mainly do these things because it makes them feel good rather than actually making any actual changes about whats on TV. They can sleep well at night thinking that they are fighting for something important.

    Religous fanatics are definitely not the only people who do this sort of thing. Many Americans think I shouldn't be able to freely trade with individuals from other countries? Other Americans think that I shouldn't be allowed to eat trans fats? Other Americans think that business owners shouldn't be allowed to let customers smoke? I'm convinced that many people are out their trying to limit freedom, and they all piss me off. Luckily though, most of them only have small amounts of power (including the church).

    I'm confused. So your state prohibits the sale of alcohol on Sunday? Or you just can't buy alcohol at that specific store?

    Again, case in point. Catholics (among others I imagine) make abortion such a key issue. And yet, they'll never get their way.

  19. Dec 13, 2007 #18
    That's a bit cynical, because politics, despite its hate, does effect our lives. I look at Tommy Douglas, a man from a rural farm who eventually became province premier, who brought public health care to Manitoba (and a balanced budget!). The idea was eventually implemented nation-wide due to its success, and now Canada has public health care. Granted, it has been ailing lately, but there is still an allure of a politician that stands his ground rather than stand on water.

    I think you're wrong in saying that religion has no "relevance" to our day-to-day lives, either. The problem is not with the actual organized religion itself, but the values behind the religion instilled in people. Yes, religion may not stop economic freedom, which you'e mostly interested in, because the Bible does not say much about capitalism. But if you look at the Koran, you will see why Muslim countries do not have banking industries. If you look at the Torah, you will see why Jewish farms have to close down on certain days.

    But ultimately what is important about religion is the social values that it indoctrinates in people. You may certainly feel alright if you're a white, middle-class, heterosexual male, but try being a homosexual or being a woman in the face of an increasingly religious America and you will see why at times, it does matter.
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    The bible states that you are not supposed to work on the sabbath. It's so strict a rule that Moses killed a man for gathering sticks.
    It's been relaxed over the centuries, but it's still pretty big for some people. My parents say that when they were kids, pretty much every store was closed on sunday. It was also illegal to sell alcohol on sunday, and still is in some areas (wherever Evo lives).

    The bible also states that you are not allowed to lend money at interest.

    "If thou lend money to any of My people, even to the poor with thee, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest."
    -Exodus, 22:25

    "And if thy brother be waxen poor, and his means fail with thee; then thou shalt uphold him: as a stranger and a settler shall he live with thee. Take thou no interest of him or increase; but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon interest, nor give him thy victuals for increase."
    -Leviticus, 25:35-37

    "Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest. Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou puttest thy hand unto, in the land whither thou goest in to possess it."
    -Deuteronomy, 23:20-21"

    If you're a Christian, Muslim, or Jew with bonds in your investment portfolio, have fun burning in hell :biggrin:
  21. Dec 13, 2007 #20


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    The show was "Soap" they succeeded. I suggest you read up about it.

    I suggest you read up on a lot, it seems you have a very limited understanding of the world around you. Not trying to sound harsh, but a lot of reading about past cultural and social events in the US would really help improve your understanding of what has and is happening in the country as far as social and political dynamics are concerned.
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