Optical/Observational Perspective Question

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The discussion revolves around the optical and observational perspectives related to the alignment of objects as perceived by an observer from a specific location. Participants explore concepts of parallax, the effects of camera lenses, and the reliability of tools like Google Earth in predicting visual alignments based on object positions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the alignment of two objects, as seen from a specific observer's position, is only valid from that position.
  • Another participant mentions that parallax is limited to specific viewing angles and distances, suggesting that it cannot be replicated from a different location without manipulation.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the effects of camera lenses on perceived distances and positions, asking if lenses can alter apparent positioning.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of Google Earth, noting that images are stitched from different angles, which can lead to misleading alignments.
  • One participant suggests that while Google Earth may not provide pinpoint accuracy, it could offer a reasonable approximation for general line of sight predictions.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of defining terms like 'general' and 'acceptable' when discussing accuracy, especially in scientific contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of skepticism about the reliability of visual predictions made using Google Earth and the effects of camera lenses. There is no consensus on the accuracy of these tools or the implications of parallax, indicating ongoing debate and differing perspectives.

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Participants highlight limitations related to the definitions of accuracy and the context of observations, suggesting that the purpose of the inquiry significantly affects the interpretation of results.

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So I have a couple of questions. Firstly, apologies if these questions are out of place, I figured this could have equally been asked on a photography board, but it involves light and position and stuff like that, so I thought it would be okay.

Say for example we have two objects, object A and object B, we also have an observer who's standing in area C, some distance away from the objects. One object is slightly behind and away from the other and from the perspective of the observer in area C, the two edges of each object appear to touch. Would it be accurate to assume, that the alignment of the edges of these objects is only visible when the observer is standing in area C? Could we then, draw the alignment of these two objects in Google Earth with the line generator and predict the line of sight and even cross over the position of area C, where the observer was standing? On top of that, would there be any strange optical effects with cameras that might cause the illusion of standing in area C, even though they're in a different position?

I hope someone doesn't mind answering these questions, I know they're a little out of place (kind of). I'm just interested to know if you can accurately (to some degree) make predictions of position in Google Earth, based on objects and their estimated alignment around you. Thanks in advance...
 
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Welcome to PF, NWH.
I don't know much about Google Earth. Parallax, however, is restricted to a particular viewing angle and distance. It can't be faked from somewhere else without photo touch-up or the use of some screwy lenses.
 
Thanks for the quick reply! As I thought, I figured it would have been definitive with a human as, well, I see it for my self, but I questioned from a camera's perspective. Interesting to know it can't be faked without touching it up. I know lenses can cause strange effects, like apparent distance and even bending of objects, so it was hard to make that judgement. Any idea if lenses can change apparent position?
 
One thing to realize about Google Earth is that the maps are stitched together from separate photos taken at possibly widely different angles. You can find areas where two buildings next to each other are leaning in completely opposite directions - like Escher's staircase! You cannot really count on two things at any distance on a map to be accurately inline.
 
It could give a good aproximation though, right? I don't mean pin point perfect, just accurate enough to predict the general line of sight over an acceptably broad area?
 
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It could give a good aproximation though, right? I don't mean pin point perfect, just accurate enough to predict the general line of sight over an acceptably broad area?
Certainly, yeah. I've cross-referenced a bunch of buildings in a photo that were 40 miles away across the lake.

Why don't you post your pix and let us analyze the scenario? We eat that stuff up.
 
That would depend upon your definitions of both 'general' and 'acceptable'. Since this is a science forum, we tend toward minimal tolerance for error. The context is important. It's a lot different to determine whether someone could witness something from a particular spot, or whether a sniper bullet was fired from a particular spot. Can you give us a bit more info about your purpose?

edit: Oops! Didn't mean to ignore you, Dave. You sneaked in whilst I was composing.
 

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