Modeling Converging Spherical Waves in Optics

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The discussion revolves around modeling converging spherical waves in optics, particularly in the context of a lens system where a spherical wave diverges from a point and is focused by a lens. Participants explore mathematical representations of these waves and the implications of lens configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the concept of approximating a diverging spherical wave as a parabolic wave in the paraxial case and seeks to understand the mathematical modeling of the outgoing wave from a lens.
  • Another participant asserts that if the lens is converging, the rays will be focused at infinity, indicating that the outgoing rays are collimated.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the focus of rays and asks for the mathematical form of waves converging to a single point.
  • Another participant suggests that a converging spherical wave should be the inverse of the diverging wave, proposing a change in the sign of the wavevector k rather than the sign of the time component.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of rays in relation to the lens configuration, with some confusion regarding the focus of the rays. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mathematical formulation of converging spherical waves.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the nature of the lens and the conditions under which the waves are being modeled, including the implications of changing the sign of the wavevector versus the time component.

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Hi. A spherical wave ##e^{i(kr-\omega t)}## diverging from a single point ##(x=0,y=0,z=-z_0)## can be approximated as a parabolic wave in the paraxial case around the z-axis. I.e., ##k r = k \sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2} \simeq k (z +\frac{x^2+y^2}{2z})##.

OK, then let's say a lens is placed such that its optical axis coincides with the ##z## axis and its focus points are at ##-z_0## and ##z_0##. In this case, the outgoing parabolic wave from ##-z_0## will be focused into the point ##z_0##. My question is, how is this to be modeled mathematically? Intuitively I would guess that ##k r \simeq k ( z - \frac{x^2+y^2}{2z})##, but what is ##kr## equal to in the accompanying case of a converging spherical wave? Something ala ##e^{i(kr + \omega t)} e^{i \phi}##, where ##\phi## is some phase factor?

I would appreciate it if you guys could help me in clearing this stuff up :)

Thanks
 
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Wminus said:
In this case, the outgoing parabolic wave from −z0-z_0 will be focused into the point z0
If this is converging lens, then the rays will be focused at infinity, that is the outgoing rays are collimated.
 
blue_leaf77 said:
If this is converging lens, then the rays will be focused at infinity, that is the outgoing rays are collimated.
crap, yeah you're right. I was thinking in terms of rays from the object plane being focused into the image plane, but I mixed it up. sorry.

But anyway, do you know the mathematical form of waves converging to a single point?
 
converging spherical wave must be the inverse of the diverging one, the sign of the wavevector k must change (better change the sign of k rather than the sign of ##\omega t## as you did above, this will mean time reversal).
 
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