Optics Experiment involving transmission through a gel and a sphere

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an optics experiment involving light transmission through a gel and a transparent solid sphere. Participants explore concepts related to refraction, spherical aberration, and the implications for light intensity at a detector positioned after the sphere.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that light further from the center of the sphere takes longer to reach the detector due to spherical aberration, proposing that refraction is greater at the sphere's edge.
  • Another participant questions the assumption of significant spherical aberration, arguing that rays near the center of the sphere are delayed relative to those at the edge, and that the gel weakens the focusing action, potentially making aberration negligible.
  • A participant calculates the focal length to be 68R, indicating a weaker focusing action and asks for clarification on the belief that rays near the center are delayed.
  • Discussion includes the mechanics of a thin dielectric lens, noting that rays traveling through the edge are delayed by extra distance, while rays through the center must also account for this delay.
  • Another participant proposes that if the detector is placed before the focal point and spherical aberration is negligible, the intensity of light detected may be inversely proportional to the path length within the sphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of spherical aberration and its effects on light transmission and intensity. There is no consensus on the implications of these factors for the placement of the detector or the behavior of light rays.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference assumptions about the transparency of the sphere and the properties of the gel, but these assumptions are not universally accepted. The discussion also highlights the complexity of light behavior in the presence of spherical aberration and varying path lengths.

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Assume you have the following scenario:

Light begins traveling through a gel of index of refraction n=1.34 in a straight line along the x axis. It is then incident on a solid sphere(n=1.36) of radius R in 3-space. Upon transmittance, the light again travels through the gel(n=1.36) and finally back into air(planar boundary) where it is incident on a detector.

Is it safe to assume that the further light is from the centre of the sphere, the longer it will take for light to hit the detector(due to spherical aberration)? My assumption is that due to spherical aberration, refraction is greater at the edge of the sphere and the light therefore travels a longer distance. By d=vt, it would also imply a greater amount of time before hitting the detector. My intuition suggests that light incident on the centre of the sphere will not refract(theta=0) and therefore takes path of least time(a straight line). Are these assumptions correct?
 
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I am assuming that the light passes through the sphere, which is transparent.
I thought the operation of a dielectric lens was that rays near the centre are delayed relative to the edge. The spherical aberration is perhaps just a small error in the basic operation.
I also notice that the gel seems to weaken the focussing action greatly, and with the very long focal length then obtaining, I think spherical aberration will be small.
I presume the detector is placed at the focal distance.
 
tech99 said:
I am assuming that the light passes through the sphere, which is transparent.
I thought the operation of a dielectric lens was that rays near the centre are delayed relative to the edge. The spherical aberration is perhaps just a small error in the basic operation.
I also notice that the gel seems to weaken the focussing action greatly, and with the very long focal length then obtaining, I think spherical aberration will be small.
I presume the detector is placed at the focal distance.

You are correct about the focal length. I calculated it to be 68R suggesting a weaker focusing action. Can you explain why you believe that rays near the centre are delayed relative to the edge?
 
blizzardof96 said:
You are correct about the focal length. I calculated it to be 68R suggesting a weaker focusing action. Can you explain why you believe that rays near the centre are delayed relative to the edge?
Consider the case of a thin dielectric lens and let's take the case where there is a point source at its focus. We know that in geometrical optics the lens will form a parallel beam. To do this, the lens synthesizes an equi-phase wavefront across its aperture. A ray traveling via the edge of the lens is delayed by the extra distance travelled, so that a ray passing through the centre must be delayed by the dielectric by the same amount.
To return to the original question, I suppose that if the detector is placed at the focus, then (excluding spherical aberration), all ray paths have the same delay. The question is perhaps, where do we place the detector when we have strong aberration?
 
tech99 said:
Consider the case of a thin dielectric lens and let's take the case where there is a point source at its focus. We know that in geometrical optics the lens will form a parallel beam. To do this, the lens synthesizes an equi-phase wavefront across its aperture. A ray traveling via the edge of the lens is delayed by the extra distance travelled, so that a ray passing through the centre must be delayed by the dielectric by the same amount.
To return to the original question, I suppose that if the detector is placed at the focus, then (excluding spherical aberration), all ray paths have the same delay. The question is perhaps, where do we place the detector when we have strong aberration?

Okay, that is interesting. Assuming we place the detector at a position before the focal point and spherical aberration is essentially negligible(as you mentioned), would the intensity of the light on the detector(from different rays) be inversely proportional to path length within the solid sphere?
 

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