Optimisation - Critical Numbers for Complex Functions.

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The discussion centers on finding the critical numbers for the volume of water as a function of temperature, specifically to determine the temperature at which water has maximum density. The user has derived the volume equation and its first derivative but is struggling to find the critical points where the derivative equals zero. Another participant points out that the user mistakenly found a minimum instead of a maximum and emphasizes the need for a second derivative test to confirm the nature of the critical point. Additionally, they remind the user to consider the constraints of the temperature range when determining the maximum density. The conversation highlights the importance of thorough analysis in optimization problems.
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Hi everyone, I need a little bit of help with an optimization problem and finding the critical numbers. The question is a follows:

Question:
Between 0°C and 30°C, the volume V ( in cubic centimeters) of 1 kg of water at a temperature T is given approximately by the formula:
V = 999.87 − 0.06426T + 0.0085043T2 − 0.0000679T3

Find the temperature at which water has its maximum density. (Round your answer to four decimal places.)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have done the following steps:
Re-write equation into scientific notation:
V(t)=-6.79x10-5T3+8.5043x10-3T2-6.426x10-2T+999.87

Found Derivative using Power Rule:
V'(t)=-2.037x10-4T2+1.70086x10-2T-6.426x10-2

I need to find critical points, where V'(t)=0 or V'(t)=und.
There are no obvious factors and I need help to find the zero's of the derivative.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Khronos said:
Hi everyone, I need a little bit of help with an optimization problem and finding the critical numbers. The question is a follows:

Question:
Between 0°C and 30°C, the volume V ( in cubic centimeters) of 1 kg of water at a temperature T is given approximately by the formula:
V = 999.87 − 0.06426T + 0.0085043T2 − 0.0000679T3

Find the temperature at which water has its maximum density. (Round your answer to four decimal places.)

The Attempt at a Solution



I have done the following steps:
Re-write equation into scientific notation:
V(t)=-6.79x10-5T3+8.5043x10-3T2-6.426x10-2T+999.87

Found Derivative using Power Rule:
V'(t)=-2.037x10-4T2+1.70086x10-2T-6.426x10-2

I need to find critical points, where V'(t)=0 or V'(t)=und.
There are no obvious factors and I need help to find the zero's of the derivative.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

It's a quadratic equation. There is a formula to find the zeros without factoring. Remember?
 
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Oh dear... of course!... I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thank you so much haha.

The minimum of the function was 3.966514624 degrees for anyone interested.
 
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Khronos said:
Oh dear... of course!... I don't know why I didn't think of that. Thank you so much haha.

The minimum of the function was 3.966514624 degrees for anyone interested.

You were told to find the maximum, while you claim to have found the minimum.

Have you tested whether your point is a maximum or a minimum? Just setting ##V'(T) = 0## will not tell you this; you need to use a second-order test (involving the second derivative ##V''(T)##), or use some other types of tests.

Also: how do you know you should set the derivative to 0 at all? Perhaps the constraints ##0 \leq T \leq 30## mess things up? You need to check that as well.
 
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