Optimizing Diode Performance: Load Line Analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of drawing the load line for a diode's I-V characteristic graph, particularly in the context of varying the source voltage (E) in a circuit that includes a resistor. Participants explore how to represent the relationship between the diode voltage (Ud), the resistor voltage (Ur), and the source voltage (E) while addressing the implications of these relationships on the load line's characteristics.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining the appropriate value of the source voltage (E) for drawing the load line.
  • Another participant suggests that the load line can be represented by the equation Ur=E-Ud and I=(E-Ud)/R, indicating a negative slope.
  • There is a reiteration of the need to express Ur in terms of Ud to combine the diode and resistor characteristics in one diagram.
  • A participant mentions that varying the source voltage results in different values for the diode voltage and current, leading to a range of values for E.
  • One participant confirms that multiple values of E yield different load lines, which are associated with the diode, resistance, and specific source voltage.
  • Another participant clarifies that the load line's purpose is to find the DC values for current and voltage when combining a non-linear diode with a resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for drawing the load line and its relationship to the diode and resistor. However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the specific value of E to use in practice, as well as the implications of varying E on the load line.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the relationship between the source voltage and the load line, indicating that assumptions about the values of E and Ud may not be fully resolved.

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Homework Statement
I am asked to draw the I-V characteristic graph of a p-n junction diode, with 1000 ohms and 10000 ohms resistors. I am also asked to draw the load line.
Relevant Equations
E-IR-V_d = 0
I have drawn the I-V characteristic graph of the diode. I am facing problems with drawing the load line. For what value of E (Source Voltage), should I draw the Load Line? To get the I-V graph, I had to continuously change E.
 
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When both characteristics (diode and R) are displayed in one diagram, you must express Ue through Ud,
Hence: Ur=E-Ud and I=(E-Ud)/R.
 
LvW said:
When both characteristics (diode and R) are displayed in one diagram, you must express Ue through Ud,
Hence: Ur=E-Ud and I=(E-Ud)/R.
Yes. But what will be the value of E?
 
ARoyC said:
Yes. But what will be the value of E?
I don`t know. E=U0 is the voltage of the source - so YOU must know,
The load line is a line (negative slope) crossing the Vd axis (for I=0) at Ud=Uo and the I axis (for Ud=0) at Uo/R
 
LvW said:
I don`t know. E=U0 is the voltage of the source - so YOU must know,
The load line is a line (negative slope) crossing the Vd axis (for I=0) at Ud=Uo and the I axis (for Ud=0) at Uo/R
To get the I-V characteristic graph, I had to continuously change the Voltage of the source. By increasing the voltage of the source, the voltage across the diode increased and hence the current. So, I have a range of values of E. Which one should I take?
 
ARoyC said:
To get the I-V characteristic graph, I had to continuously change the Voltage of the source. By increasing the voltage of the source, the voltage across the diode increased and hence the current. So, I have a range of values of E. Which one should I take?
You are using the I=f(Ud) axis combination.
* At first, you draw the diode characteristic - by doing this, you assume a variation of U0=Ud, right?
* Now you add a resistor and you must express the resistor characterstics I=f(Ur) through Ud.
Otherwise, you cannot have both curves in one common diagram.
And for this purpose you set Ur=Uo-Ud.
And the resistor curve (load line) now is I(=Ur/R)=(Uo-Ud)/R. This gives a negative slope for rising Ud.
* Of, assuming a variation of Ud (as you did without R) is accomplished with a Uo variation.
But this is not shown in the diagram because you have Ud at the horizontal axis.
 
LvW said:
You are using the I=f(Ud) axis combination.
* At first, you draw the diode characteristic - by doing this, you assume a variation of U0=Ud, right?
* Now you add a resistor and you must express the resistor characterstics I=f(Ur) through Ud.
Otherwise, you cannot have both curves in one common diagram.
And for this purpose you set Ur=Uo-Ud.
And the resistor curve (load line) now is I(=Ur/R)=(Uo-Ud)/R. This gives a negative slope for rising Ud.
* Of, assuming a variation of Ud (as you did without R) is accomplished with a Uo variation.
But this is not shown in the diagram because you have Ud at the horizontal axis.
Sorry, I did not get it.
 
ARoyC said:
Sorry, I did not get it.
You should try to ask a specific question - otherwise, I don`t know where your lack of understanding is.
 
The specific question is, if I have drawn the I-V characteristic graph, how to draw the load line? First I made a circuit with a 1000 ohm resistor and a diode and a dc voltage source. Now I have constantly increased the source voltage. The voltage drop across the diode increased and also the current in the circuit. Then, with that data, I drew the I-V_d graph for the diode. Now to draw the load line, the equation is E-V_d-IR=0 where V_d and I are the variables. I know the value of R. But what of E should I take in the equation to draw the load line?
 
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Take any value for E=Uo as you like. But, of course, it must be larger than Ud.
I cannot understand your problem as I gave you the inputs for drawing the load line (I gave you the points where the load line crosses the horizontal as well as vertival axis.)
 
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So, if I take any value of E (of course greater than the corresponding V_d), I will get one straight line with a negative slope. If I take another value of E, I will get another straight line (shifted, because the constant value in the equation is changing). So. please let me know if my interpretation is correct. A diode can have different load lines for different source voltages. A load line is associated with the diode, the resistance and the particular source voltage. Am I correct?
 
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Yes - I think, now you have the correct understanding. It is the purpose of the load line to find the DC values for current and voltage when a diode (non-linear) is combined with a resistor. Two linear resistors in series can be handled applying Ohms law - however, when one part is non-linear such a graphical method is necessary.
For this purpose both characteristics must be drawn in one common diagram. Therefore, the voltage across the resistor must also be expressed by the diode voltage Ud using the simple expression I=(Uo-Ud)/R.
 
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LvW said:
Yes - I think, now you have the correct understanding. It is the purpose of the load line to find the DC values for current and voltage when a diode (non-linear) is combined with a resistor. Two linear resistors in series can be handled applying Ohms law - however, when one part is non-linear such a graphical method is necessary.
For this purpose both characteristics must be drawn in one common diagram. Therefore, the voltage across the resistor must also be expressed by the diode voltage Ud using the simple expression I=(Uo-Ud)/R.
Got it. Thank you.
 
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