Optimizing Volume of a Cone Encasing a Sphere: Finding the Minimum Slant Angle

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This discussion revolves around an optimization problem involving a cone encasing a sphere. The sphere has a fixed radius R, while the cone has variable height h, radius r, and angle theta. Participants are attempting to express the volume of the cone as a function of the angle theta and to determine the slant angle that minimizes this volume.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are exploring relationships between the dimensions of the cone and sphere, particularly focusing on how to express the volume in terms of theta. There is discussion about using similar triangles to derive necessary relationships and equations.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of how to relate the variables involved, with some participants suggesting that expressing everything in terms of R and theta may be necessary. Multiple interpretations of the relationships between the dimensions are being considered, and guidance has been offered regarding the use of similar triangles.

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Participants are working under the constraint of needing to express the volume solely in terms of theta, while also recognizing the fixed nature of the sphere's radius R. There is uncertainty about whether a purely theta-based expression can be achieved.

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This is an optimization problem but I'm having trouble modeling the question.

There is a sphere encased in a cone. The sphere has a fixed radius R and the cone has a variable height h and radius r. There is also a variable angle theta at the base of the cone.
Express the volume of the cone as a function of the angle theta, then find what slant angle theta should be used for the volume to be a minimum.2. The attempt at a solution

So far I have V=(pi*r^3*tan(θ))/3, where tan(θ)=h/r

the problem is how to describe r in terms of θ

thanks in advance
 
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There is another right triangle in the problem. Drop a perpendicular from the center of the sphere to the cone. One leg is R. The other is sqrt(r^2+h^2). And that triangle splits into two similar triangles. Does that help? This is kind of similar to your other problem.
 
I understand that there are two similar triangles in the cone but what I'm wondering is how to get the equation for volume solely in terms of theta.
 
armolinasf said:
I understand that there are two similar triangles in the cone but what I'm wondering is how to get the equation for volume solely in terms of theta.

You'll have to work it out. But if you know the angle is theta and the opposite leg is R, then you know everything about that triangle. Now look at the smaller triangle. The hypotenuse is R and an angle is theta. You know everything about that one as well, like r. You can express everything in terms of R and theta, right?
 
I feel like I've worked this one out every which way and I'm not seeing a relationship where i get something that is equivalent to the h*r^2 in terms of theta, unless that's where I'm going wrong?
 
armolinasf said:
I feel like I've worked this one out every which way and I'm not seeing a relationship where i get something that is equivalent to the h*r^2 in terms of theta, unless that's where I'm going wrong?

You aren't going to find an expression purely in terms of theta. You'll need to use the fixed radius R as well. You've already got one relationship. r/h=tan(theta). That let's you get rid of one variable. You just need one more. What have you found?
 
Using the proportionality of similar triangles, I have:

R=(r(h-r))/h

R=(r*sqrt(h-2R^2))/sqrt(r^2+h^2)

So, if tan theta = h/r = (sqrt(h-2R^2)/R), I'm having trouble seeing an identity for R that will give me the equivalent of r^2 or r*h^2 that will give me the r^2h I need to express the volume in terms of theta and R
 
armolinasf said:
Using the proportionality of similar triangles, I have:

R=(r(h-r))/h

R=(r*sqrt(h-2R^2))/sqrt(r^2+h^2)

So, if tan theta = h/r = (sqrt(h-2R^2)/R), I'm having trouble seeing an identity for R that will give me the equivalent of r^2 or r*h^2 that will give me the r^2h I need to express the volume in terms of theta and R

Look at the triangle whose vertices are i) the apex of the cone, ii) the center of the sphere and iii) a perpendicular from the center of the sphere to the side of the cone. I think that will give you an easier relation to work with.
 

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