Orifice plate effect on impeller flow rate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the theoretical approximation of flow rate through a pipe where an axial flow impeller provides pressure, but the flow is restricted by an orifice plate. Participants explore the effects of the orifice plate on flow rate, pressure differences, and motor load, with a focus on theoretical and experimental approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the new flow rate through a pipe with an orifice plate, noting the need to find the pressure difference across the orifice.
  • Another participant points out that orifice plates are commonly used for flow rate measurement and suggests that the pump curve would be useful.
  • A participant clarifies that they are designing the pump and may need to conduct experiments to ascertain the pressure drop.
  • One participant challenges the assumption that placing an orifice plate increases motor load, sharing an analogy with vacuum cleaners and suggesting that flow throttling may actually reduce load.
  • References to resources such as the Crane handbook and a Wikipedia article on pump curves are provided to support the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of the orifice plate on motor load and flow rate, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the need for specific parameters and experimental data to accurately determine the pressure drop and flow rate, highlighting the limitations of theoretical approaches.

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Hi everyone,

Hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

I'm trying to find (a theoretical approximation of) the flow rate through a pipe where the pressure is provided by an axial flow impeller, but restricted by an orifice plate.

I have (or can get hold of) all the physical parameters - pipe dimensions, motor power, impeller power number, impeller pressure drop, pumping capacity, orifice area, etc..).
I know the flow rate through the open pipe with no orifice plate.

I imagine placing an orifice plate over the open pipe will create a higher pressure, more drag, put more load on the motor and reduce the flow rate.

How will I find out the new flow rate?

I guess I need to somehow find the new pressure difference either side of the orifice plate. I don't know how to do this.

Any ideas/suggestions/equations/text book references would be a great help!

Thanks!
 
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Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately it's the pump I'm designing (not intended to be a pump, but has a pumpig effect).
I may need some experimentation to figure out my pressure drop. Thanks anyway :)
 
I imagine placing an orifice plate over the open pipe will create a higher pressure, more drag, put more load on the motor and reduce the flow rate.


Actually most pump motors experience less load when flow is throttled.
When you were a kid did you put your hand over exhaust from Mom's vacuun cleaner and wonder why motor sped up? Vacuum cleaners are centrifugal, but this Wiki shows similar curve for axial..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Axial_1.png

Ther must be a way to get your pump curve. They've been designing them for well over century.

Are you familiar with Crane handbook, "Flow of Fluids"? Where i worked It was on every mechanical engineer's desk.
http://www.flowoffluids.com/publications/crane-tp-410.aspx
 

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