Origin of the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and properties of the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor within the context of electrodynamics. Participants explore various approaches to derive this tensor, including the use of Noether's theorem, and debate the implications of divergence properties and gauge invariance.

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  • Some participants claim that the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor can be derived by expressing the force as a divergence of a tensor.
  • Others argue that the energy-momentum tensor of any field must have zero divergence, suggesting this is a fundamental property.
  • A few participants express skepticism about the universality of the divergence condition, labeling it a "widely-spread delusion."
  • Some propose that the tensor can also be derived from Noether's theorem, which relates symmetries to conservation laws.
  • There are differing views on the validity of various Lagrangians and their corresponding energy-momentum tensors, with some participants asserting that certain forms are not gauge invariant.
  • One participant suggests that the standard derivation of the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor from Noether's theorem is flawed and presents alternative perspectives on its derivation.
  • Another participant discusses the use of infinitesimal transformations in deriving the Noether current, emphasizing the need for detailed calculations to support claims.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the derivation and properties of the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor. There is no consensus on the validity of the various approaches discussed, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations related to gauge invariance and the assumptions underlying different Lagrangian formulations. The discussion also reflects a dependence on specific definitions and interpretations of Noether's theorem.

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Electrodynamics force is f_i=F_{ik}j^k=F_{ik}\partial_j F^{jk}. I claim that the only way to obtain the Maxwell energy-momentum tensor T_i^j=-F_{ik}F^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4 is to write the force as a divergence: f_i=-\partial_jT_i^j.
 
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The energy-momentum tensor of any field must have zero divergence.
 
Petr Mugver said:
The energy-momentum tensor of any field must have zero divergence.
It is a widely-spread delusion.
 
It can also be derived from Noether's theorem, it is the conserved current of translations x \rightarrow x+a.
 
Tomsk said:
It can also be derived from Noether's theorem, it is the conserved current of translations x \rightarrow x+a.
It is a widely-spread delusion as well. The Noether's theorem gives various energy momentum tensors, but not the Maxwell tensor.
Sorry, tex works badly.
Canonical Lagrangian L_1L_1=-F_{ij}F^{ij}/4 gives canonical tensor
T_1{}T_1{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4
Dirac’s Lagrangian L_2 L_2=-F_{ij}F^{ij}/4-(\partial_iA^i)^2/2 gives T_2{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4-\partial_iA^j\partial_kA^k+\delta_i^j(\partial_kA^k)^2/2,
Vector Lagrangian L_3=-\partial_iA^j\partial^iA_j/2 gives T_3{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_k\partial^jA^k+\delta_i^j\partial_kA_l\partial^kA^l,
Soper’s Lagrangian [1] L_4=-F_{ij}F^{ij}/4-A_ij^i gives T_4{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4+\delta_i^j A_kj^k. But Soper was mistaken: he obtain a false tensor T_f{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4+A_ij^j [2].
[1] D. E. Soper, Classical Field Theory (N.Y.: John Wiley, 1976).
[2] R.I. Khrapko, Professor Soper's mistake http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?id=43&module=files
 
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The fact that the energy momentum tensor you wrote can be obtained by Noether's theorem is NOT a "delusion": take the formalism of general relativity, take the usual electromagnetic field lagrangian, vary not only the A fields but also the metric, and finally impose the flat space-time metric... what will you get?
 
Emmy Noether did not intend to use curvilinear coordinates. And why we must prefer T_i^j=-F_{ik}F^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4 to T_1{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4, or others?
By the way, variation of coordinates does not give spin tensor!
 
It's just a conservation law. The symmetric tensor is preferred because it is...symmetric, I guess. Variation of coordinates (and fields) by Lorentz transformations DOES give you the spin tensor. I don't know what Noether intended or not, I havent't read her biography, but using her theorem you get a lot of conservation laws (all, as far as I know) of a lagrangian field theory, regardless if the lagrangian describes a drum, a water wave, a Higgs boson or a general relativistic matter system.
 
You're right that there's a problem with the normal derivation from Noether's theorem, the tensor

T_1{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4

is not gauge invariant. But this can be solved with a couple of tricks. One is to perform a gauge transformation when you vary A, instead of

A_\mu (x) \rightarrow A_\mu (x+a) = A_\mu (x) + a^\nu \partial_\nu A_\mu

you can subtract a gauge term like this

A_\mu (x) \rightarrow A_\mu (x) + a^\nu \partial_\nu A_\mu - \partial_\mu (a^\nu A_\nu) = A_\mu (x) + a^\nu F_{\nu\mu}

because a is constant, and this gives you the standard gauge invariant stress energy tensor.
 
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Tomsk said:
But this can be solved with a couple of tricks.
Sorry, I do not understand your tricks. They gives T_5{}_i^j=-\partial_iA_kF^{jk}-a^l\partial_iF_{lk} F^{jk}+\delta_i^jF_{kl}F^{kl}/4 (Sorry, tex works badly)
My thought is the Lagrange formalism with the Noether's theorem cannot give the electromagnetic energy-momentum tensor. And the deriving of this tensor, which is described in all textbooks, is a mistake. See [1]
[1] R.I.Khrapko, “Mechanical stresses produced by a light beam,” J. Modern Optics, 55, 1487-1500 (2008) http://khrapkori.wmsite.ru/ftpgetfile.php?module=files&id=9
 
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Sorry but I don't understand how you got that expression. I may have messed up, I don't know. I got the standard Maxwell stress energy tensor from the general equation for a Noether current.

If you have some fields \phi_a (x) and a lagrangian \mathcal{L}(\phi_a (x),\partial_\mu \phi_a (x)), and if the action is invariant under some symmetry, you can transform the fields like this:
\phi_a (x) \rightarrow \phi_a (x) + \epsilon^\alpha \Phi_{a\alpha}(x)
where epsilon is an infinitesimal parameter and Phi encodes the transformation in terms of phi. The lagrangian transforms like
\mathcal{L} \rightarrow \mathcal{L} + \epsilon^\alpha \partial_\mu \Lambda^\mu_\alpha
So that the action is invariant. Then the Noether current is
j^\mu_\alpha = \frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi_a)}\Phi_{a\alpha} - \Lambda^\mu_\alpha
To get the Maxwell stress energy tensor, set \phi_a = A_\mu so that a is a spacetime index, and set \epsilon^\alpha = a^\nu where a is a constant infinitesimal vector so that alpha is also a spacetime index. Then to get the standard Maxwell stress energy tensor we require \Phi_{a\alpha} = F_{\mu\nu} which I got by Taylor expanding A as normal, A_\mu (x) \rightarrow A_\mu (x) + a^\nu \partial_\nu A_\mu then subtracting a gauge term, which doesn't affect the lagrangian, so it won't affect Lambda either. That gives a^\nu \Phi_{\mu\nu} = a^\nu \partial_\nu A_\mu - a^\nu \partial_\mu A_\nu = a^\nu F_{\mu\nu} I think that works but I'm not 100%, if you found a mistake let me know...
 
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Usually, when deriving the Noether current (energy-momentum or angular momentum tensor), they use an infinitesimal coordinate transformation rather than transformation of field (the field satisfies Euler-Lagrange equations, i.e. field equations). Please present your calculation in details as an attachment.
 

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