Oscillations of a vehicle driving on a sinewave ground

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a vehicle driving on a sine wave ground, focusing on how constant speed (V) and geometric characteristics of the ground (b, h) influence oscillation values. Participants explore the implications of these factors on accelerations, velocities, and displacements, while addressing the conditions under which the vehicle may lift off the ground.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) has solved differential equations to find relative displacements, velocities, and accelerations, noting that high speeds and short periods lead to large acceleration values and displacements equal to the amplitudes of the sine function.
  • The OP speculates that the mass may lift off the ground at high speeds, questioning the conditions under which this occurs and how to determine the contact force that indicates when lift-off happens.
  • One participant asserts that the mass should not lift off the ground, suggesting that if it does, the problem becomes significantly more complex and should assume continuous contact between the mass and the ground.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to consider gravity in the equations, indicating that the contact force on the wheel becomes zero when lift-off occurs.
  • There is a suggestion to incorporate the lateral velocity (v) into the equations governing the system, indicating that it may not be adequately represented in the current formulation.
  • The OP acknowledges the need to include gravity in their calculations, expressing uncertainty about how this will affect the results regarding lift-off.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the mass should remain in contact with the ground, but there is a lack of consensus on the conditions that lead to lift-off and how to accurately model the forces involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific equations needed to determine the contact force and the implications of including gravity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential omission of gravity in initial calculations, the dependence on the definitions of the forces involved, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps required to fully understand the dynamics of the system.

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Homework Statement



In my homework I have to determine how do the speed (constant speed) (V) of damped mass and geometric characterictis of ground (b, h) influence on oscillation values of a model represented on a picture below. Model represents a vehicle driving on a sine wave ground. I should determine values of accelerations, velocities and displacements and explain why the results are as they are at different speeds and at different geometric characteristics.

k ... spring constant
d ... damping coefficient
h ... amplitude of a sine function (ground)
2*b ... period of a sine function (ground)
m ... mass ( of a vehicle)

y ... absolute displacement of a mass
z ... relative displacement of a mass



Homework Equations



y_0(x)=h*sin(\frac{pi*x}{b})
y_0(t)=h*sin(\frac{pi*V}{b}*t)
z(t)=y(t)-y_0(t)
m*\frac{d^2y}{dt^2}=-d*(\frac{dy}{dt}-\frac{dy_0}{dt})-k*(y-y_0)
m*\frac{d^2z}{dt^2}+d*\frac{dz}{dt}+k*z=-m*\frac{d^2y_0}{dt^2}

+ other equations that i don't think are relevant for what i am about to ask

The Attempt at a Solution



So, I have solved differential equations and got relative displacements, velocities and displacements of a mass. But for high speeds V and short periods of sine function of the ground b, i got enormous values for accelerations, and displacements equal the amlpitudes of sine function of the ground.

My guess is this happens because the mass cannot follow the ground at such high speeds and therefore lifts-off of the ground.

My questions are:

Is my thinking correct?
How can i determine the contact force, so that i would see when its value changes from + to - ; that is why the mass lifts-off, right?


Thank you for your help.
 

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The mass should not lift off the ground. If it does, the problem becomes very difficult to solve. So assume there is always contact between m and the ground.

Assume the spring is initially relaxed at h = 0.

Your equations will also need to incorporate v, the lateral velocity.
 
I am aware that mass should not lift off ground. That is why i am trying to determine when (at what speed v and/or at what period b) that happens. Because when that happens i think that this model is not appropriate anymore. Is it possible to determine that with values of contact force? If so, how do i set an equation for that force?

V is incorporated in equation that defines y0, do i have to incorporate it somewhere else as well?

Rude man, thank you for your reply.
 
J_R, this needs more thinking on my part.
You have th right idea in writing your diff. eq. per my'' = ƩF. Obviously, two of the forces are the spriong and the damper. I need to think about the effect of the sinusoidal ground on thee equation.

Not a trivial problem, least for me. Maybe one of our powerhouse mech. types will help out.
 
I'm sorry, my later post got lost in the shuffle.

I was saying that you expression for z looks right except you left out gravity. Repeat the solution with gravity.

As to when the wheel leaves the ground: that point is when the ground force on the wheel = 0. So consider your forces on the wheel: gravity, spring, damper and the ground.
 
Thank you again. I will try that. When i took in account only spring and damper i got in each case wheel lifting of the ground at some point. With gravity included, i guess this will change.
 

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