unprovoked attack
SOS2008 said:
Yes, except the part about war--source? And you realize invasion of Iraq was an unprovoked assault on an independent country, which breached international law. Under Article 2, Number 4 of the UN Charter. Which do you think was worse?
The Democrats want the war to fail, and make false claims that WMD don't exist, but according to you they did? Source please.
You have it turned around. It is the Christian extremists who want to force their belief on everyone else.
In regard to "the public square" are you able to practice the religion of your choice, and practice your beliefs fully? Are you able to pray in public if you like, for example blessing the food at lunchtime in a school cafeteria or employee lounge? Are you able to proselyte door-to-door or preach from a soapbox on a street corner? The list goes on and on, and I fail to see how you are so repressed.
Let's please drop the religious tirades and return to the topic of this thread, which is about Bush and how he has misused religion to pursue his political goals, and/or whether he is delusional. I believe he is out-of-touch with mainstream America and the world for that matter, and I think he is an egotistical, self-centered idiot -- but not delusional.
Invading Iraq?
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/15016.htm
13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it
will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;
This means the use of force, or to put it into military speak, war.
Why Iraq? Because they used illegal oil revenues to fund terrorist strikes in Israel and to assist other terror groups. Iraq also sponsored research in chemical and bio weapons in Northern Africa. At the recent 911 commission hearings a year ago or so, Clintons defense Secy William Cohen (R) admitted the 1998 strike on the "Aspirin factory" was a dual use chemical weapons facility that was visited and interacted with known al Queda operatives linked to bin Laden. The day before Clinton had to testify on perjury, he orders a military strike and explained it was Saddam violating UN sanctions and working with WMD. Not everyone saw this point, it was on Foxnews and some radio shows.
WMD in Iraq? Let's define our words, if there was even a trace amount of wmd, there would "BE" some quantity greater than zero. To say an item exists doesn't imply its quantity. The stockpiles of anthrax and other wmd were not found, but materials that qualify as wmd were found. The left scoffed in the news media saying "well they look like old weapons". Publicly we never located the infamous stockpiles, inspectors did find some small amounts of the term "wmd".
However that wasnt even needed, Saddam had USED wmd on civilians, yet the left does not complain about that fact. Rewind to the first gulf war? There were wmd stockpiles found then, according to reports, and they were systematically destroyed. Democrat apologists say:"oh, see? they destroyed them all, what else do you want?" If they were all destroyed then Saddam would not object to inspectors making sure, and if inspectors certified NO weapons programs? Iraq could sell oil and earn billions per year extra. Saddam refused and blocked inspectors, they were withdrawn in 1998.
Other middle eastern nations said they knew from Iraqi internal sources there were wmd programs.
The bottom line here is that after 911, who was cheering? Who was chanting death to the USA?? Some intelligence groups studied the issue and found Iraq to be not only using illegal OIL sales to pay terror groups, they used the UN oil for food scandal money to fund terror also. Even with what we knew, and with the 15 member UNSC in agreement, Saddam had to stop illegal wmd research and prove he didnt have wmd, let inspectors in, and not block them.
They blocked inspectors, found long range illegal missles and the full disclosure delivered Dec 2002? was full of papers from 1991 and notes from the first time they had to disclose, Iraq was officially in violation of UNR1441 and the US should have invaded then.
Bushes staff tried to show the world how Iraq was in violation, and by the rules make the case for harsher sanctions or war. During the 3 month delay? We saw peace protesters saying No war! and Stop bothering Iraq! Oil for $ and blood $ for oil or whatever. Where was the outrage over Saddams brutalities? The left should have demanded the US invade and topple Saddams regime.
Why were France, Germany and Russia so adamantly opposed to war in Iraq? We were not sure then, we are now. They all sold military materiel and armament to Saddam, illegally; There is still an investigation on the UN oil for food scandal. But all 3 nations opposed the war and tried to claim they loved freedom and individual rights?
We saw protests organized by... who? Moveon.org, Pacifica radio, Hamas, the PLO, the World workers communist party and ? The rallys would start by saying how wonderful Islam is, now everyone repeat this: and the announcer would rattle off some sentence of indoctrination to Islam, saying thank you everyone, you are now all Muslims. Now the Bush administration lied! They are invading Iraq illegally...
Why should a freedom rally begin by forcing everyone take the oath to change their religion to Muslim?
The tirade over losing Christian rights can be in another topic, like why schools must teach Intelligent Design.
