Outer area of S = outer area of S closure, analysis

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the outer area of a set S and the outer area of its closure. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of set closure in the context of area measurement.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the difference between the set S and its closure, questioning how rectangles are defined in relation to S. They express a need for visual representation to aid understanding.
  • Some participants suggest considering specific examples, such as the open interval (0,1), to clarify the concept of closure and boundaries.
  • Questions arise regarding the area of the boundary and its implications for the equality of areas between S and its closure.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, sharing insights and examples. There is a productive exploration of the definitions involved, particularly regarding boundaries and their contribution to area. However, no consensus has been reached on the implications of these definitions for the problem at hand.

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There is an emphasis on visual understanding and the need for clarity regarding the definitions of closure and boundaries. The discussion reflects a mix of mathematical reasoning and conceptual exploration, with no definitive answers provided yet.

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Homework Statement



Show that the outer area of S = outer area of the closure of S

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I don't really understand 100% the difference between the set S and the closure of S.
I know the closure is S [tex]\cup[/tex] [tex]\partial[/tex]S (the boundary of S), but then what does that mean S is? Since S is not the same as the interior of S or the closure..

Anyways,
Let A denote the outer area.

I'm starting by showing that A(S) [tex]\leq[/tex] A(Cls).

Let a partition of a rectangle which contains R, P= {xi, yj} Then
S = upper sum, 1 = characteristic function

Sp(1s) = [tex]\sum[/tex] Mij A(Rij)

Where Mij = sup{1s(x,y); (x,y) belong to Rij}

I'm trying to figure out how the rectangles are defined in S, is it just Rij [tex]\cap[/tex]S?
Then
Sp(1s) [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\sum[/tex] Mij A(Rij) = Sp1[Cls(S)]
Rij [tex]\cap[/tex] S & Rij [tex]\cap[/tex] [tex]\partial[/tex]S
Anyways once I show that A(S)[tex]\leq[/tex] A(Cls), I think the other inequality will be harder.. any tips?

If possible, could someone maybe describe it as a picture? I find I understand this stuff much better visually..

Thanks :)
 
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Let's think in R, for a minute. And let's think about the open interval (0,1) in particular. Now, think about placing a divider to the left of 0 and one to the right of 0. Now slide the two dividers together as far as they can go without actually touching either a point of (0,1) or a boundary point of (0,1). The stuff between the dividers is the closure of (0,1). In other words, it is kind of like putting a fence on the boundary points of a set and then saying everything on the inside of the fence, and the fence it self is the closure of that set.

So, open sets do not contain their boundaries, that is the difference.

Can you show that the boundary of a set S takes up no "area" (whatever "area" is)?
 
Yes, if the boundary has zero content. So if were to show that the area of the boundary, which is a part of the closure, has no area then they would be equal.
 
missavvy said:
Yes, if the boundary has zero content. So if were to show that the area of the boundary, which is a part of the closure, has no area then they would be equal.

Correct, since the closure of a set consists of the boundary points of the set and the sets interior points.
 

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