Overlaying light beams by one replacing the other where they intersect

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of overlaying light beams in a manner where one beam replaces another at their intersection, rather than being superimposed. Participants explore various methods and technologies that could achieve this effect, including the use of projectors, green screens, and materials that can switch between transparent and opaque states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that achieving the desired overlay effect is difficult in a linear system and proposes using a TV projector as a potential solution.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the concept of switching images and relates it to green screen technology used in video production.
  • Some participants discuss the limitations of using green screens and the need for software to generate video content, questioning how this relates to the original problem.
  • A suggestion is made to use a diagonal glass with a mirrored area to manage the beams, along with optics to focus them properly.
  • Another participant proposes the use of a Light Valve to control the transparency of the diagonal surface, although noting the drawback of light loss.
  • There is a discussion about the challenges of achieving seamless image transitions and the limitations of LCD technology in this context.
  • One participant raises the idea of using materials that can change their opacity when illuminated, suggesting that such materials could serve as a replacement for beamsplitters.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the slow response times of photochromic materials, and participants suggest looking into photoactive light valves as potential alternatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the feasibility of different approaches. There is no consensus on a single solution, and multiple competing ideas are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of current technologies, such as the imperfect optics and resolution issues with LCDs, which complicate the task of achieving a perfect overlay effect. The discussion also highlights the dependency on specific definitions and the need for further exploration of materials that can transition between states.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring optical engineering, light manipulation technologies, and those involved in video production techniques.

  • #61
wosoka said:
You are not but the way you suggest to do it digitally can only be done optically/physically by doing those steps. I tried to explain why but either I can't explain it as I've tried several times or I'm wrong, but you are yet to be able to explain to me how I'm wrong here as well, for because of the same one of two possible reasons.
Let's establish some basics about what the user is actually going to be presented with. I have never come across a video display that is intended to be viewed close enough for the pixels to be highly visible and I have to assume that the hd pixels will be low pass filtered to eliminate the sampling (pixels per cm) rate component. Yes, the LD pixels may be visible but even that is not necessary with the right display. So I assume we are dealing with two displays with different cutoff spatial frequencies and not with a load of little squares. It's very hard work to look at a pixellated display and actually, the detail in such a display is harder to see than than when the correct LP filtering is done.
Do you agree with that and/or do you understand what I am talking about? If you have any doubts about pixellated displays then just take good quality picture and zoom in till the pixels are visible. How would you describe he 'viewing experience' as you zoom out in small steps?
 
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  • #63
wosoka said:
As I said once already,
we are not moving them digitally.
This is not comparable to a digital program like Photoshop that works with digital pixels and only when finished with the digital filters on the digital pixels converts the results to be viewed on fixed size physical pixels.
You are not merging two images with varying resolution digitally, but trying to merge two projected images in the real world with different, un-changeable resolutions.

Look,
https://i.imgur.com/X2o4l11.gif
Try to show how you can move the "small pixel" here smoothly instead of steps without creating gaps or overlaps.
Not only that, but as a small pixel moves into the space of one of the big pixels, the big pixel has to hide and its area filled with small pixels, again with specific positions and sizes.
No you can't add anything in between, because this isn't a digital program but illustration of "phsyical" pixels projected on a surface.Pot, kettle, black. You are not my mind reader nor am I yours. This has nothing to do with the topic, try sticking to it. I don't have time to read what you wrote to a straw man.
I just challenged your idea above. There, I wasted time making an animated illustration. Show me a solution to that and we'll call it a day, I'll even apologize for not seeing the solution sooner.Why do you think there is no way? because you have expertise in all aspects of this project? Just because you aren't aware of a solution means there isn't any? Do you see the irony? I literally just posted this and you completely ignored it and are making that statement:
Guess what? This wasn't my idea, someone from another forum suggested it. What did I do with his idea? Took it on board.
Thread will remain closed. The newbie OP has a 10-day vacation to reconsider how best to benefit from the PF.

Thank you everybody for trying your best to help the OP in this thread.
 
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