P = F Sin/Cos Angle / A: Explained!

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The discussion revolves around the formulas for calculating pressure (P) in relation to force (F) and angles, specifically P = FSin Angle / A and P = FCos Angle / A. Participants seek clarification on when to use each formula and the reasoning behind the use of sine and cosine in these contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the differences between the formulas and when to apply each one.
  • There are requests for context regarding how angles are presented in specific situations.
  • One participant notes that the force (F) is not always perpendicular to the surface, necessitating the use of sine or cosine of the angle.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the physics behind the formulas rather than applying them blindly.
  • Discussion includes the positioning of angles in diagrams and how that affects the choice of sine or cosine.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of diagrams used in the discussion, suggesting that different symbols for angles could reduce confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of understanding the components of force in relation to the surface but do not reach a consensus on the specifics of when to use each formula or how to interpret the diagrams presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for clarity in the diagrams and the potential for misunderstanding due to the use of the same symbol for different angles. There is also mention of the need to consider the angle's relationship to the surface when applying the formulas.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to understand the application of trigonometric functions in physics, particularly in relation to force and pressure calculations.

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What's the difference between
P = FSin Angle / A
P = FCos Angle / A
Why cannot we use F / A only in both forumlas? I am really confused
When I should use each one of these forumlas ? I just need someone to explain each one of them ... Here's a pic to what I am referring to
20190217-223046.jpg


, why cannot we always use the big F in the middle
Thanks In advance .
 

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AmirWG said:
What's the difference between
P = FSin Angle / A
P = FCos Angle / A
Why cannot we use F / A only in both forumlas? I am really confused
Thanks In advance .
You need to add parentheses to show what it is that your statements are supposed to mean
 
AmirWG said:
What's the difference between
P = FSin Angle / A
P = FCos Angle / A
Why cannot we use F / A only in both forumlas? I am really confused
Thanks In advance .
Please give some context as to how these angles are presented in the situation.
 
When I should use each one of these forumlas ? I just need someone to explain each one of them ... Here's a pic to what I am referring to https://ibb.co/M1GJRPF , why cannot we always use the big F in the middle , the question might be lame but I just suck when it comes to dealing with forces, I am sorry for not being specific .
 
AmirWG said:
Here's a pic to what I am referring to https://ibb.co/M1GJRPF ,
posting your image on that site with the correct orientation would stop everyone turning on their side to read it
 
davenn said:
posting your image on that site with the correct orientation would stop everyone turning on their side to read it
20190217-223046.jpg
 

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Because F is not perpendicular to the surface you have to multiply by the cos or sin of theta.
 
AmirWG said:
When I should use each one of these forumlas ? I just need someone to explain each one of them ... Here's a pic to what I am referring to https://ibb.co/M1GJRPF , why cannot we always use the big F in the middle , the question might be lame but I just suck when it comes to dealing with forces, I am sorry for not being specific .

You need the component of F that is perpendicular to the surface. Think about it. If F is close to being parallel to the surface, is there a lot of force being applied to that surface?

You should never simply apply a formula blindly. You need to understand what the physics is, and what physical issues are involved. Do not simply use a formula without understanding what it is saying.

Zz.
 
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Like @ZapperZ said, you want to consider the component which is perpendicular to the surface. Notice where the Θ is positioned in each of the pictures. You could just say "I'm only going to measure the angle from the surface", like the picture on the left. Then you use Sine. But if they give you a different angle, you may need to calculate the proper angle to take the sine of.
 
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@AmirWG The following applies throughout Science (and life)
ZapperZ said:
Do not simply use a formula without understanding what it is saying.
You be fair to the OP, I would take issue with the two quoted diagrams because they are using the same symbol for different angles. If they had used, say θ and φ then you would possibly have noticed that θ + φ = 90°. The rest is trigonometry.
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