P&S Exercise 3.4 Majorana Fermions Derivative of ##\chi##

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the mass term in the Majorana equation, specifically focusing on the derivative of a term in the action involving Majorana fermions. Participants are examining the expression involving the fields ##\chi## and their complex conjugates, as well as the implications of treating these fields as anticommuting quantities.

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  • Participants are attempting to show how the derivative of the term ##\chi^T\sigma^2\chi## relates to the mass term in the Majorana equation. Questions arise regarding the treatment of the fields and their derivatives, particularly in relation to complex conjugates and the implications of treating the fields as Grassmann numbers.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions involved, with some participants questioning the validity of their derivatives leading to zero. Clarifications regarding the properties of the fields as anticommuting quantities have been introduced, which may influence the understanding of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem statement may be confusing, especially for those new to the subject, highlighting the complexity of working with Majorana fermions and the associated mathematical formalism.

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Homework Statement
Peskin and Schroeder Exercise 3.4 Majorana Fermions part b wants me to show that the variation of the action ##S## with respect to ##\chi^\dagger## gives the Majorana equation.
Relevant Equations
The action is given by: $$S = \int d^4 x \left[ \chi^\dagger i \sigma \cdot \partial \chi + \frac{im}{2} \left( \chi^T \sigma^2 \chi - \chi^\dagger \sigma^2 \chi^* \right) \right]$$

The Majorana equation is $$i \bar{\sigma} \cdot \partial \chi - im \sigma^2 \chi^* = 0$$
I am stuck at the final part where one is supposed to show that the derivative of the second term of the action gives the mass term in the Majorana equation. For $$\chi^T\sigma^2\chi = -(\chi^\dagger\sigma^2\chi^*)^*$$ we get $$\frac{\delta}{\delta\chi^\dagger}(\chi^\dagger\sigma^2\chi^*)^*$$ which is supposed to give $$\sigma^2\chi^*.$$ I don't see how. Suppose $$f(\chi) = \chi^*,$$ and now $$\frac{d}{d\chi}f(\chi) = \frac{d\chi^*}{d\chi}$$ which would be zero due to the field and its complex conjugate being zero.
 
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diracsgrandgrandson said:
I am stuck at the final part where one is supposed to show that the derivative of the second term of the action gives the mass term in the Majorana equation.
You can get the Majorana equation by varying ##S## with respect to ##\chi_1^*## and ##\chi_2^*##.

Note that ##\chi^T \sigma^2 \chi## does not contain either ##\chi_1^*## or ##\chi_2^*##.
So, this expression in the Lagrangian will not contribute when doing the variation with respect to ##\chi_1^*## and ##\chi_2^*##.

Write out the expression ##\chi^\dagger \sigma^2 \chi^*## explicitly in terms of ##\chi_1^*## and ##\chi_2^*##. Then you can look at its variation with respect to ##\chi_1^*## and ##\chi_2^*##.
 
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TSny said:
Write out the expression χ†σ2χ∗ explicitly in terms of χ1∗ and χ2∗. Then you can look at its variation with respect to χ1∗ and χ2∗.
Doesn't that give zero?

$$
\begin{align*}
\chi^\dagger \sigma^2 \chi^* &=
\begin{pmatrix}
\chi_1^* & \chi_2^*
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
0 & -i \\
i & 0
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
\chi_1^* \\
\chi_2^*
\end{pmatrix} \\
&= \begin{pmatrix}
\chi_1^* & \chi_2^*
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
- i \chi_2^* \\
i \chi_1^*
\end{pmatrix} \\
&= i (-\chi^*_1\chi^*_2+\chi^*_2\chi_1^*)
\end{align*}
$$

which gives zero for each derivative.
 
According to the problem statement in the textbook, ##\chi_1## and ##\chi_2## are to be treated as anticommuting quantities (Grassmann numbers) with the following properties

##\chi_1 \chi_2## = -##\chi_2 \chi_1 \,\,## and ##\,\, (\chi_1 \chi_2)^* \equiv \chi_2^* \chi_1^* = - \chi_1^* \chi_2^*##
 
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Ahh I see, that clarifies it, thank you. I find the problem is formulated in a very confusing way, at least for a beginner like me :)
 
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Yes, it's a difficult subject. I'm also a beginner. I've been a beginner for years. :oldsmile:
 
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