Parallel transport in flat polar coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of geodesics in flat polar coordinates on a Euclidean manifold. Participants explore the relationship between coordinate systems and geodesics, the calculation of Christoffel symbols, and the formulation of geodesic equations in polar coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that circles centered at the origin in polar coordinates may constitute geodesics because they parallel transport their own tangent vector.
  • Another participant argues that geodesics depend solely on the metric, asserting that in the standard Euclidean metric, straight lines are the true geodesics, not arcs of circles.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the rotation of tangent vectors in polar coordinates and questions how to derive the geodesic equations in this coordinate system.
  • One participant shares their calculation of the Christoffel symbols for polar coordinates, initially reporting an error in their values, which they later correct.
  • A participant inquires about the differential equations that geodesics must satisfy.
  • Another participant mentions calculating the Riemann curvature tensor components for flat space in polar coordinates, finding them all to be zero, and notes that they found the geodesic differential equations in a reference text.
  • One participant emphasizes that geodesics are intrinsic to a surface and are independent of the coordinate system used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether circles in polar coordinates can be considered geodesics, with some asserting that only straight lines qualify as geodesics in the Euclidean metric. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of tangent vector rotation and the correct formulation of geodesic equations in polar coordinates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations and understanding, particularly regarding the derivation of geodesic equations and the implications of Christoffel symbols in polar coordinates.

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If we have as a manifold euclidian R^2 but expressed in polar coordinates...
Do any circle centered at the origin constitute a geodesic?
Because I think it parallel transport its own tangent vector.
 
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The geodesics of the manifold depend only on the metric, not the coordinate system. The geodesics are still straight lines; arcs of a circle are not geodesics in the standard Euclidean metric.
 
Thanks for the reply.
But I still don't quite get it: the tangent vectors of the coordinate lines in polar coordinates do rotate about the origin.
Maybe the covariant derivative compensate for this rotation, but I can't figure out how to write the geodesic equation of R^2 in polar coordinates, I know it must give me a system of 2 differential equations but don't know how to get them.
Say, if I have point p=(r,\phi) = (0,0) and vector v=(r,\phi) = (1, \pi/4), how do I calculate it's geodesic (I know in cartesian coordinates it has to be the y=x line).
 
I have calculated the christoffel symbols for polar coordinates and it gives me \Gamma^{\phi}_{r \phi} = \Gamma^{\phi}_{\phi r} = \frac{2}{r}, and all the other \Gamma = 0.

Now how can I calculate a geodesic starting at (0,0) and with initial tangent vector (1, \pi/4) ?
 
Sorry there was a mistake in my calculation of the christoffel symbols.

They are \Gamma^{\phi}_{r \phi} = \Gamma^{\phi}_{\phi r} = \frac{1}{r} and \Gamma^{r}_{\phi\phi} = -r

The others \Gamma = 0.
 
What differential equation must geodesics satisfy then?
 
I calculated the 16 components of the riemann curvature tensor for flat space in polar coordinates and they all gave me 0 :smile:
It seems to work!

As to the geodesics differential equation for polar coordinates, I found the answer on MTW.
But I'm not very good at solving diffs eqs.
 
In any case, the whole point is that geodesics are "intrinsic" to a surface- they depend on the surface, not what coordinate system you have. The geodesics of a flat plane are straight lines.
 

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