Partial Derivative Homework: Calculate ∂f/∂x

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The problem involves calculating the partial derivative ∂f/∂x for the function f(x,y,t) = 3x² + 2xy + y^(1/2)t - 5xt, with the additional context that x and y are functions of t, specifically x(t) = t³ and y(t) = 2t⁵.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of treating x, y, and t as independent versus dependent variables when calculating the partial derivative. There is confusion about the appropriateness of using a partial derivative in this context, given the dependencies among the variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the distinction between partial and total derivatives, suggesting that the dependencies should be considered when taking a total derivative instead. There is acknowledgment of the formula for the total derivative, but no consensus has been reached on the implications for the original problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the relationships between the variables may complicate the interpretation of the partial derivative, raising questions about the validity of the provided answer when dependencies are considered.

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Homework Statement


The question asks to calculate ∂f/∂x for f(x,y,t) = 3x2 + 2xy + y1/2t -5xt where x(t) = t3 and y(t) = 2t5

Homework Equations


The answer is given as ∂f/∂x = 6x + 2y - 5t

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm confused because the answer given seems to treat x,y ,t as independent variables and the answer given is just a partial derivative treating y and t as constant. But really x,y.t are all dependent on each other. Is it even possible to obtain a partial derivative with respect to x in this case ?
 
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The information that x(t) = t3 and y(t) = 2t5 is a red herring. When taking a partial derivative of f with respect to x, we look only at the explicit, direct role of x in the formula for f(x,y,t). We ignore any dependencies, and that leads to the quoted result. If we want to take dependencies into account, we take a total derivative, which is written ##\frac{df}{dx}##, rather than the partial derivative ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}##.

The Insight article on partial derivatives gives more background on partial derivatives, and the nature of these distinctions.
 
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Thanks. And would I be correct that the total derivative is
df/dx = ∂f/∂t + (∂f/∂x)dx/dt + (∂f/∂y)dy/dt ?
 
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Thanks. And would I be correct that the total derivative is
df/dx = ∂f/∂t + (∂f/∂x)dx/dt + (∂f/∂y)dy/dt ?
That's the formula for the total derivative with respect to t.
The total derivative wrt x uses the same formula, but swaps the role of t and x on the RHS, giving
$$\frac{df}{dx} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial t} \frac{d t}{dx}
+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} \frac{dy}{dx}$$
 
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Thanks for your help
 

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