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Partial derivative with fixed variable

  1. Sep 21, 2011 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Given y = xz5 and x = zg (where g is some constant) find :

    (∂y / ∂x)z

    2. Relevant equations
    3. The attempt at a solution

    I understand the concept of a partial derivative, but I've never seen one such that there is a variable held fixed, or one where ∂x is not changing independently. This is a statistical mechanics problem. Any tips on how to do this?

    My solution is basically treat z as a constant but that would be the same as taking the partial without holding z constant. I'm not sure what to do about x either. Just need an example of or instruction on how to do this.
    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2011
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  3. Sep 21, 2011 #2
    Draw a tree diagram (whatever they are called) first.
     
  4. Sep 21, 2011 #3
    I'm not looking for a probability, so how would the tree diagram help?
     
  5. Sep 21, 2011 #4

    HallsofIvy

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    The tree diagram flyingpig is talking about has nothing to do with probability. He is talking about taking f as "root" and drawing branches for "derivative with respect to x" and "derivative with respect to z", etc. in order to use the chain rule for partial derivatives.

    However, in this very simple example, I don't think I would use the chain rule. From x= zg, it follows that z= x/g. Then [itex]y= xz^5= x(x^5/g^5)= x^6/g^5[/itex]. diferentiate that.
     
  6. Sep 21, 2011 #5

    Mark44

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    And keep in mind that g is a constant...
     
  7. Sep 21, 2011 #6
    Okay so basically I want to get rid of the term that is constant by using other variables?

    Lets say for example instead of z being the constant in the question (the subscript) I choose g now to be the subscript. How would this change the partial derivative (Assuming g and z can both vary somehow)?

    Also, the derivative is quite simple:

    (∂y / ∂x)z = 6x5 / g5
     
  8. Sep 21, 2011 #7

    Ray Vickson

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    I think there may be a serious problem here: (dy/dx)_z means: take the partial of y wrt x, holding z constant. However, since x=zg and g is constant, when we hold z constant we cannot vary x at all!

    RGV
     
  9. Sep 21, 2011 #8
    Ah, I see the issue.
    What if g can vary? What then?
     
  10. Sep 21, 2011 #9

    Mark44

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    Well, then g isn't a constant, which is at odds with what you said in the first post.
     
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