Partial differentiation equation help

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The discussion revolves around the topic of partial differentiation, specifically focusing on the differentiation of a function involving variables r, s, and t. The original poster seeks assistance in deriving a specific expression with respect to the variable s.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of a function and question the results obtained from an online calculator. There is discussion about simplifying expressions and applying differentiation rules, including the product rule and quotient rule.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the differentiation process and the implications of certain derivatives being zero. Some participants provide insights into the application of differentiation rules, while others express confusion regarding the results and the reasoning behind them.

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There are mentions of specific derivatives that lead to zero, raising questions about the implications for further differentiation. The participants also discuss the conditions under which certain simplifications hold true, such as when variables are not equal to zero.

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Homework Statement



derive (s2t3) / (rs2t3) with respect to s



The Attempt at a Solution



equation becomes s2t3*(rs2t3)-1

which becomes s2t3r-1s-2t-3

then just differantiate like a polynomial?

i tried this on an online partial differentiation calculator and it gave me an answer of:

(2s*t3(r*s2t3) - (s2t3)r*2s*t3)/(r*s2t3)2

where the heck do they get that from
 
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It simplifies more than that:
[itex]\frac{s^2^3}{rs^2t^3}= \frac{1}{r}= r^{-1}[/itex] as long as s and t are not 0.

Its derivative with respect to s is 0.

(the rather strange formula you got is probably due to using the quotient rule. However, it should be easy to see that the numerator is of the for a- a= 0.)
 
thats odd because of the questions i have.

the entire problem is this.

f(r,s,t)=rln(rs2t3)

partially differentiate to find a) frss and b) frst

fr is what i gave in the previous post.. to be fr=(s2t3) / (rs2t3)


then if frs is 0 then both answers to the questions a) and b) are zero without even doing the 3rd differential.
that just seems odd?
 
But [tex]\partial_r [ r \ln (r s^2 t^3) ] = \ln ( r s^2 t^3 ) + 1[/tex], isn't it?
 
i thought:

derivative of ln(u) = 1/u*u' so that derivative became 1/(rs2t3)*(s2t3)
 
Of course, but you have a r in front of the logarithm multiplying it, so you need first to apply the product rule.
BTW: You can simplify your expression, 1/(r s² t³) *(s² t³) = 1/r. Which by multiplying with the r in front of the logarithm gives you the 1 in my result (second term of product rule).
 
ohhhh. i see. so product rule where r=u and ln(rs^t^3)=v.

helps if i derive right hey
 
:biggrin:
 

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