Partial Order Relation and Equivalence Relation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of partial order relations and their implications for equivalence relations, specifically examining the relationships formed by union, intersection, and composition of a partial order relation. Participants explore whether certain constructions yield equivalence relations and the implications of transitivity, reflexivity, and symmetry.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the union of a partial order relation and its inverse, \(R \cup R^{-1}\), is an equivalence relation due to the preservation of reflexivity and the introduction of symmetry.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that transitivity will hold in the union, indicating that a counterexample is necessary to prove the claim.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the composition \(R^2\) and whether it can be said that \(R^2 = R\) for a partial order relation, mentioning that they found an example that worked.
  • There is a clarification regarding the terminology, with one participant noting that "composite" is not a standard term for the composition of relations and emphasizing the need for precise definitions.
  • Another participant asserts that since \(R\) is transitive, \(R^2 \subseteq R\) holds, but questions whether \(R^2\) is symmetric.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the union and intersection of a partial order relation yield equivalence relations, and there is disagreement regarding the properties of the composition \(R^2\). The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions and properties of relations, particularly concerning the implications of transitivity and symmetry in the context of partial orders and their compositions.

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Hello all,

If R is a partial order relation, is it true to say that

\[R\cup R^{-1}\]

\[R^{2}\]

\[R\cap R^{-1}\]

Are equivalence relations ?

Regarding the first one, I think that the answer is yes. If

\[xRx\]

then it remains after the union. Asymmetry means that \[xRy\] without \[yRx\] but when I apply the union both are in, so it becomes symmetric, and there is no reason why transitive won't work. Am I correct, or not even close ? What about the other two ?

Thank you
 
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Yankel said:
there is no reason why transitive won't work.
There is, actually.

Try to come up with proofs using precise statements and formulas rather than words. If a universal statement is false, this has to be shown by producing a counterexample.[/QUOTE]
 
Yes, I found an example now, and I did solve the last one.

The only thing I am stuck with is R^2.

Can I say that if R is a partial order relation it's composite R^2=R ? I tried one example which worked.
 
Yankel said:
Can I say that if R is a partial order relation it's composite R^2=R?
What do you mean by "composite"? It is true that $R$ is transitive iff $R^2\subseteq R$. But does the fact that $R$ is a partial order imply that $R^2$ is symmetric?
 
By composite I Mean xRRy.
 
Yankel said:
By composite I Mean xRRy.
It's important to say things correctly. First, $R\circ R$ is called composition (I have not seen the word "composite" used for this). Second, it is not clear what $x$ and $y$ are in $xRRy$. For given $x$ and $y$, $xR^2y$ is true or false, while $R^2$ is a relation, not something true or false.

Yankel said:
Can I say that if R is a partial order relation it's composite R^2=R?
Yes. Since $R$ is transitive, $R^2\subseteq R$. For converse inclusion, if $(x, y)\in R$, then $(y, y)\in R$ due to reflexivity, so $(x, y)\in R^2$.
 

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