Particle mass atop frictionless hemisphere w/ extra force

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The problem involves a particle of mass m resting atop a frictionless hemisphere of radius R, subjected to a force F = -mkyα acting in the y direction. The objective is to determine the height above the equator and the speed of the particle at the moment it leaves the surface of the hemisphere after a small displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the balance of forces acting on the particle, particularly the normal force and gravitational force, and question whether gravity should be included in the analysis. There is also exploration of energy conservation and the potential energy associated with the applied force F.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved, particularly regarding the role of gravity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider the work done by the force F and the implications of using calculus to find the work done, rather than applying a simple work formula.

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There is uncertainty about the inclusion of gravitational force in the problem setup, as well as the need to account for the work done by the non-constant force F. Participants are navigating these complexities without reaching a consensus on the correct approach.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m rests atop a frictionless hemisphere of radius R. A force F = -mkyα acts in the y direction. After an initial small displacement, the particle slides down the sphere under the action of the force.

Find a) the height above the equator and b) the speed of the particle, both at the moment that it leaves the surface of the hemisphere.

Homework Equations


I would assume relevant equations include a summation of forces:

ΣF = FN - mgcosθ - mkyαcosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


I feel that the key is that the normal force is equal to 0 when the particle leaves the surface of the hemisphere as there is no longer contact between the two. Thus you get:

ΣF = - mgcosθ - mkyαcosθ = mac

at the point when the particle leaves the surface of the hemisphere.

I would also assume that energy is a part of the equation:

E(y=R) = mgR
E(y) = mgy + 1/2mv2

mgR = mgy + 1/2mv2

I figured y= Rcosθ and simplified the energy equation to:

v2 = 2gR(1-cosθ)

Which is helpful when I know that ac = v2/R

Now I assume somewhere in that logic I went wrong because when I try using the energy equation and force equation to set up something where I might find cosθ but it keeps coming out to be a very, very ugly equation which I don't see as plausible. My professor hinted that I could also set the problem up in the non-inertial frame of the particle as it slides down but I wouldn't be sure where to start there. Any help is hugely appreciated.
 
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Are you sure you are supposed to include the force of gravity as well as the force F? The problem gives the expression for the force F and then states that the "particle slides down under the action of the force". To me, this wording suggests that maybe gravity is not acting. Without gravity, the algebra is not too bad.

Your energy equation does not take into account the work (or potential energy) associated with the force F.
 
TSny said:
Your energy equation does not take into account the work (or potential energy) associated with the force F.

Without the force of gravity though, what will the potential energy equation look like? Will there even be a potential energy equation or would it just be the change in energy, W = Fd?
 
The force F is not constant, so you cannot use W = Fd. You need to use calculus to calculate the work. You can consider the work as the change in a potential energy function. But getting the expression for the potential energy is essentially the same as calculating the work. So, you can just concentrate on finding the work.
 

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