Particle motion + electric fields

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving particle motion in an electric field, specifically focusing on the motion of an electron under the influence of an electric field. Participants are tasked with finding acceleration, horizontal displacement, and final velocity based on given parameters.

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  • Participants explore the application of kinematic equations and electric field concepts to derive acceleration and displacement. There is a focus on the calculation of final velocity, with discussions on the correct use of vertical and horizontal components.

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Some participants express confidence in their calculations for acceleration and horizontal displacement but raise concerns about the accuracy of the final velocity. There is ongoing dialogue about the correct approach to calculating the vertical component of velocity and the overall final velocity, with suggestions for checking significant figures and ensuring proper use of kinematic relationships.

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Participants note potential errors in calculations and the importance of significant figures in their results. There is also mention of careless mistakes affecting the outcomes, highlighting the iterative nature of the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



see attachment for question wording.
a) find acceleration
b) find horizontal displacement
c) find final velocity

vx=4.0*10^6m/s
ε=4.0*10^2 N/C
Δdy=0.02m

mass of electron = me = 9.11*10^-31kg
charge of electron = qe = -1.6*10^-19 C

Homework Equations



suvat
electric field equation
coulombs laws

The Attempt at a Solution



a)
ma=qε
(9.11*10^-31)(a)=(1.6*10^-19)(4*10^2)
acceleration = 7.025246981*10^13 m/s/s [down]

b)
Δdy=vi yΔt+0.5(ay)Δt^2
Δt = 2.4*10^-8 seconds

Δdx = vΔt
Δdx = (4*10^6)*2.4*10^-8)
Δdx = 0.096m
Δdx = 9.6cm

c)
vf y^2 = vi y^2 +2ayΔdy
vf y = √(0+1.34884742*10^13)
vf y = 3.672665817*10^6 m/s



I'm pretty confident in parts A and B but I'm not sure about part C.
I still have to find the direction of the final velocity; waiting to see if the magnitude is correct first.
 

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Your methods look okay. The results for a and b look good, but watch your significant figures.

Something went wrong in the numerical calculation for part c; the value you obtained for the vertical velocity is not correct. Also, presumably the final velocity should include both the horizontal and vertical components.
 
Ah. I used the horizontal displacement found in part b instead of the vertical displacement like I should've.

Let
and [down] be positive.

c)
vf y^2 = vi y^2 +2ayΔdy
vf y = √(0+2((7.025246981)(0.02))
vf y = 0.167633493 m/s [down]

vf x = √(vi x^2 + 2(0)(0.096)
vf x = vi x
vf x = 4*10^6 m/s

theta = tan^-1((4*10^6)/(0.167633493))
theta = 89.9999976°
so, I am thinking this is negligible.


vf = √(0.167633493^2 + (4*10^6)^2 )
vf = 2000.00007 m/s



is this correct?​
 
quicksilver123 said:
Ah. I used the horizontal displacement found in part b instead of the vertical displacement like I should've.

Let
and [down] be positive.

c)
vf y^2 = vi y^2 +2ayΔdy
vf y = √(0+2((7.025246981)(0.02))
vf y = 0.167633493 m/s [down]

That seems way to small for the y-velocity. Check the acceleration value you've used.
vf x = √(vi x^2 + 2(0)(0.096)
vf x = vi x
vf x = 4*10^6 m/s
In other words the x velocity is unchanged because there is no acceleration in the x direction.
theta = tan^-1((4*10^6)/(0.167633493))
theta = 89.9999976°
so, I am thinking this is negligible.
Don't use angles to calculate the sum of the components, they are at 90° to each other. Use Pythagoras: square root of sum of squares.
vf = √(0.167633493^2 + (4*10^6)^2 )
vf = 2000.00007 m/s



is this correct?​

Nope. Fix the bits above and recalculate.​
 
Ugh. Careless mistake. Seems I'm making a lot of those... :/

Fixed:


vf y^2 = vi y^2 +2ayΔdy
vf y = √(0+2(7.025246981*10^13)(0.02)
vf y = √(2.80098792*10^12)
vf y = 1.676334928*10^6 m/s

vf x = vi x = 4*10^6 m/s

theta = tan^-1 (vfx/vfy) = 67.26 degrees

vf = √((1.676334928*10^6)^2+(4*10^6)^2)
vf = 4.337061078*10^5 m/s [down 67.26 degrees right]


finally.

look good?
 
Much better. Be sure to round submitted results to appropriate significant figures.
 

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