Partition Function for a helium atom

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The discussion revolves around calculating the relative populations of the ground and first excited states of a helium atom in thermal equilibrium at 10,000K. The first excited state is three-fold degenerate and lies 19.82 eV above the ground state. Participants clarify that the partition function must account for all states, not just a single state, and define "population" as the number of atoms in a particular state. The relative population is expressed as the ratio of the populations of the excited state to the ground state. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding these concepts in the context of statistical mechanics.
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Homework Statement


The first excited state of the helium atom lies at an energy 19.82 eV above the ground state. If this excited state is three-fold degenerate while the ground state is non-degenerate, find the relative populations of the first excited and the ground states for helium gas in thermal equilibrium at 10,000K.

Homework Equations


$$Z=\sum_i e^{-\varepsilon /kT}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$Z=\sum_i e^{-\varepsilon /kT}$$
$$Z=3e^{-(19.82eV) /(8.617e-5eV/K)(10000K)}$$
$$Z=3.074e-10$$

I found the partition constant for the first excited state, but then I'm not sure what to do. What do they mean by "the relative populations"?
 
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1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
I found the partition constant for the first excited state,
That statement doesn't make sense. The partition function is a sum over all states. You can't find the partition function for a single state.

1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
What do they mean by "the relative populations"?
##P_2/P_1##, where ##P_1## is the population of the ground state and ##P_2## the population of the excited state.
 
DrClaude said:
That statement doesn't make sense. The partition function is a sum over all states. You can't find the partition function for a single state.##P_2/P_1##, where ##P_1## is the population of the ground state and ##P_2## the population of the excited state.

DrClaude, thank you for responding. What exactly is the ''population'' of a ground state of an atom?
 
1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
DrClaude, thank you for responding. What exactly is the ''population'' of a ground state of an atom?
It's the number of atoms in the ground state. The term comes from the idea that you have an ensemble of identically prepared systems: if you have 100 atoms with a probability of .9 of being in the ground state, then the population of the ground state is 90, and the relative population is .9.
 
DrClaude said:
It's the number of atoms in the ground state. The term comes from the idea that you have an ensemble of identically prepared systems: if you have 100 atoms with a probability of .9 of being in the ground state, then the population of the ground state is 90, and the relative population is .9.

Wouldn't the relative population then be $$P2/P1 = 90/10 = 9$$
 
1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
Wouldn't the relative population then be $$P2/P1 = 90/10 = 9$$
It's a question of interpretation. Re-reading the problem as you stated it in the OP, I think indeed that you need to calculate the relative population of the excited state as ##P_2/P_1##, which in my example would give ##0.1/0.9 \approx 0.111##.
 
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