Partition Function for a helium atom

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The problem involves calculating the relative populations of the ground state and the first excited state of a helium atom in thermal equilibrium at a specified temperature. The context is rooted in statistical mechanics, particularly focusing on the partition function and its implications for state populations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the partition function and question the interpretation of "relative populations." There is an exploration of what constitutes the population of a state and how it relates to the ensemble of atoms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying terms and concepts related to populations and partition functions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the definitions and calculations involved, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of relative populations.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the calculation of the partition function, as participants emphasize that it should encompass all states rather than a single state. Additionally, the problem's phrasing regarding "relative populations" is under scrutiny, leading to varied interpretations.

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Homework Statement


The first excited state of the helium atom lies at an energy 19.82 eV above the ground state. If this excited state is three-fold degenerate while the ground state is non-degenerate, find the relative populations of the first excited and the ground states for helium gas in thermal equilibrium at 10,000K.

Homework Equations


$$Z=\sum_i e^{-\varepsilon /kT}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$Z=\sum_i e^{-\varepsilon /kT}$$
$$Z=3e^{-(19.82eV) /(8.617e-5eV/K)(10000K)}$$
$$Z=3.074e-10$$

I found the partition constant for the first excited state, but then I'm not sure what to do. What do they mean by "the relative populations"?
 
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1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
I found the partition constant for the first excited state,
That statement doesn't make sense. The partition function is a sum over all states. You can't find the partition function for a single state.

1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
What do they mean by "the relative populations"?
##P_2/P_1##, where ##P_1## is the population of the ground state and ##P_2## the population of the excited state.
 
DrClaude said:
That statement doesn't make sense. The partition function is a sum over all states. You can't find the partition function for a single state.##P_2/P_1##, where ##P_1## is the population of the ground state and ##P_2## the population of the excited state.

DrClaude, thank you for responding. What exactly is the ''population'' of a ground state of an atom?
 
1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
DrClaude, thank you for responding. What exactly is the ''population'' of a ground state of an atom?
It's the number of atoms in the ground state. The term comes from the idea that you have an ensemble of identically prepared systems: if you have 100 atoms with a probability of .9 of being in the ground state, then the population of the ground state is 90, and the relative population is .9.
 
DrClaude said:
It's the number of atoms in the ground state. The term comes from the idea that you have an ensemble of identically prepared systems: if you have 100 atoms with a probability of .9 of being in the ground state, then the population of the ground state is 90, and the relative population is .9.

Wouldn't the relative population then be $$P2/P1 = 90/10 = 9$$
 
1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
Wouldn't the relative population then be $$P2/P1 = 90/10 = 9$$
It's a question of interpretation. Re-reading the problem as you stated it in the OP, I think indeed that you need to calculate the relative population of the excited state as ##P_2/P_1##, which in my example would give ##0.1/0.9 \approx 0.111##.
 
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