Path integral over a function with image in a circunference

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The problem involves evaluating a path integral of a continuous vector field \(\vec{F}\) that is parallel to the vector \(x\vec{i}+y\vec{j}\) along a curve \(\gamma\) contained within a circle of radius \(r\). The integral to evaluate is \(\int_{\gamma}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the direction of \(\gamma'(t)\) and \(\vec{F}(x, y)\), questioning how this affects the dot product. There are attempts to clarify whether \(\vec{F}\) is perpendicular to the circumference and the implications for the path integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have acknowledged errors in their reasoning regarding the relationship between \(\vec{F}\) and \(\gamma'\). There is a recognition that if \(\vec{F}\) is indeed perpendicular to \(\gamma'\), the path integral evaluates to zero. Guidance has been offered on how to express this rigorously, including suggestions for parametrizing the circle.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the vector field and its relationship to the geometry of the curve. There is a mention of the need to avoid assuming a direct correlation between the parameter \(t\) and the angle \(\theta(t)\) in their parametrization.

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Homework Statement


Let [itex]\vec{F}: ℝ^{2}->ℝ^{2}[/itex] be a continuous vector field in which, for every [itex](x, y), \vec{F}(x, y)[/itex] is parallel to [itex]x\vec{i}+y\vec{j}[/itex]. Evaluate [itex]\int_{γ}\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{r}[/itex] where [itex]γ:[a, b]->ℝ^{2}[/itex] is a curve of class [itex]C^{1}[/itex], and it's imagem is contained in the circunference centered in the origin and with radius [itex]r>0[/itex].


The Attempt at a Solution


We know that [itex]\vec{F}(x, y)=a(x\vec{i}+y\vec{j})[/itex], where [itex]a[/itex] is a constant, and we need to evaluate [itex]\int^{b}_{a}\vec{F}(γ(t))\cdot γ'(t)dt[/itex]. So?...

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So how is the direction [itex]γ'(t)[/itex] points related to the direction [itex]\vec{F}(x, y)[/itex] points? What does that tell you about the dot product?
 
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[itex]γ '(t)[/itex] is a tangent to [itex]x^{2}+y^{2}=r[/itex] at any given [itex](x, y)[/itex], but not every [itex]\vec{F}(x, y)[/itex] is perpendicular to the circunference, so the dot product has many possible values, and my argument must be wrong HEHE

Thanks
 
I think [itex]\vec{F}(x, y)[/itex] is perpendicular to the circumference, isn't it?
 
Indeed it is, my mistake. So I know that F and γ' are always perpendicular, hence the path integral is equal to 0. Now, how may I write this rigorously, I mean, not using just the geometric description?

Many Thanks
 
carlosbgois said:
Indeed it is, my mistake. So I know that F and γ' are always perpendicular, hence the path integral is equal to 0. Now, how may I write this rigorously, I mean, not using just the geometric description?

Many Thanks

You could parametrize the circle. Write things in term of the angle at the value of the parameter t, θ(t). Then x=r*cos(θ(t)) and y=r*sin(θ(t)).
 
Nice. So let [itex]R=(r cos(t), r sin(t))[/itex], then R is a parametric form for [itex]γ[/itex], when we let r constant. Then we have [itex]\int_{γ}\vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r}=\int^{d}_{c}F(R) \cdot R' dt=ar^{2}\int^{d}_{c}0 \cdot dt=0[/itex] for any d and c.

Is it correct?
Thank you
 
carlosbgois said:
Nice. So let [itex]R=(r cos(t), r sin(t))[/itex], then R is a parametric form for [itex]γ[/itex], when we let r constant. Then we have [itex]\int_{γ}\vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r}=\int^{d}_{c}F(R) \cdot R' dt=ar^{2}\int^{d}_{c}0 \cdot dt=0[/itex] for any d and c.

Is it correct?
Thank you

Basically, yes. But you shouldn't assume the parameter t is the same as the angle θ(t). If you work it out with a general function θ(t) you'll get the same result.
 

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