PDE Heat Equation 2 Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the application of the heat equation in two dimensions, specifically examining whether the product of two solutions of the one-dimensional heat equation can satisfy the two-dimensional heat equation. Participants also explore the possibility of generalizing this to three dimensions and question if similar results apply to the wave equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss starting points for the problem, including writing down the two-dimensional heat equation and substituting the proposed solution form. Some express uncertainty about the implications of the heat equation and seek clarification on the definitions and relationships between the variables involved.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various participants offering insights and suggestions for approaching the solution. Some participants have expressed understanding of the heat equation, while others are still grappling with the concepts and seeking guidance on how to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the use of homogeneous Dirichlet boundary conditions and express concerns about the clarity of notation, particularly regarding the use of different symbols for similar functions. There is also a recognition of the stress associated with the complexity of the PDE course material.

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Homework Statement


Show that if v(x,t) and w(y,t) are solutions of the 1-dimensional heat equation (v_t = k*v_xx and w_t = k*w_yy), then u(x,y,t) = v(x,t)w(y,t) satisfies the 2-dimensional heat equation. Can you generalize to 3 dimensions? Is the same result true for solutions of the wave equation?

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Honestly, I have no idea what I am doing. This is all very interesting and it SEEMS like it should be answered by a "oh, yes, that's obvious just do this" quick few lines.

But I'm so foreign with my PDE course that this is causing great stress.

I need a start, if you can tell me what I should look at, or where I should start, please do so. I will attack it then.
 
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RJLiberator said:

Homework Statement


Show that if v(x,t) and w(y,t) are solutions of the 1-dimensional heat equation (v_t = k*v_xx and w_t = k*w_yy), then u(x,y,t) = v(x,t)w(y,t) satisfies the 2-dimensional heat equation. Can you generalize to 3 dimensions? Is the same result true for solutions of the wave equation?

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The Attempt at a Solution



Honestly, I have no idea what I am doing. This is all very interesting and it SEEMS like it should be answered by a "oh, yes, that's obvious just do this" quick few lines.

But I'm so foreign with my PDE course that this is causing great stress.

I need a start, if you can tell me what I should look at, or where I should start, please do so. I will attack it then.

Step 1: write down the 2D heat equation for a general function u(x,y,t).
Step 2: plug in the suggested form for u(x,y,t) to see if it "works".
 
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I agree with your method and can see that this problem isn't that hard... once you understand the heat equation.

I am searching now for more information on the 2D heat equation.
 
A good starting point?

Homogeneous Dirichlet B.C.:

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RJLiberator said:
A good starting point?

Homogeneous Dirichlet B.C.:

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Not much of a start I'd say. A better start would be to write down what you are given, then write down what you are to prove. Then you could start working on it...
 
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@LCKurtz ,

I have an extension on this assignment.

I am going to go through some intense studying tonight and I will report back with my updated tries for this problem and the other PDE problem I posted.

Thank you for your guidance thus far! Hopefully I come through.
 
@Ray Vickson
The 2D heat equation I am wondering what this means.

I have the 1d heat equation as follows:
u_t =k∇^2u
u(x,t) = k*∇^2u

is the 2d heat equation just
u(x,y,t) = k*(uxx+kuyy)

?

Separation of variable yiels
T'/(K*T) = X''/X = Y''/Y = -v^2
 
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@Ray Vickson
The 2D heat equation I am wondering what this means.

I have the 1d heat equation as follows:
u_t =k∇^2u
u(x,t) = k*∇^2u

is the 2d heat equation just
u(x,y,t) = k*(uxx+kuyy)

?

You mean ##u_t = k(u_{xx}+u_{yy})##, but, yes, that is what it means.

Separation of variable yiels
T'/(K*T) = X''/X = Y''/Y = -v^2

This problem has nothing to do with separation of variables. Start by following my advice in post #5.
 
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Okay, what do we know?

Well, we know the 2 dimension heat equation now:
u(x,y,t) = k(U_xx+U_yy)
we know u(x,y,t) = v(x,t)w(y,t) from problem description.

we know
V_t = k*V_xx and w_t=k*w_yy

Do we set:
v(x,t)w(y,t) = k(U_xx+U_yy)

The thing that is confusing me is the left hand side, how do I work with a function of this nature.
 
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It is very bad form, not to mention confusing, when you use both u and U and v and V to represent the same thing as you have done below. Don't do that.

RJLiberator said:
Okay, what do we know?

Well, we know the 2 dimension heat equation now:
u(x,y,t) = k(U_xx+U_yy)
we know u(x,y,t) = v(x,t)w(y,t) from problem description.

I wouldn't call that u(x,y,t) because it suggests it is the same u in the heat equation. Call it something new like$$F(x,y,t) = v(x,t)w(y,t)$$
The question is whether or not ##F(x,y,t)## satisfies the heat equation ##u_t = k(u_{xx} + u_{yy})##.

we know
V_t = k*V_xx and w_t=k*w_yy

Do we set:
v(x,t)w(y,t) = k(U_xx+U_yy)
No. You plug ##F(x,y,t)## into the heat equation and see if what you are given makes it work.
 
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