Pendulum and spinning mass -- Coupled

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The discussion centers on a physics problem involving two masses connected by a string, where one mass oscillates as a pendulum while the other moves in a circular motion. The key confusion arises from the assumption that a constant pendulum arm length decouples the two masses, simplifying the problem to independent motions. However, the correct interpretation maintains that the string's tension and the constraints of the system keep the masses coupled, necessitating the use of Lagrangian mechanics to derive the equations of motion.

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Homework Statement


Imagine two masses connected to each other by a string. One mass sits atop a table, while the other mass dangles below the table, as the string is fed through a hole in the center. The configuration looks like this: http://tuhsphysics.ttsd.k12.or.us/Tutorial/NewIBPS/PS5_3/5-32.JPG. Now push the swinging pass so that it start oscillating as a pendulum, and simultaneously push the top mass so that it starts moving in a circular motion. Assume the length of the pendulum arm is constant. Write the lagrangian and find the equations of motion.

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My confusion is this: If we assume the length of the pendulum arm to be constant, it seems that the two masses are no longer coupled. Thus the problem immediately reduces to a simple pendulum and a mass spinning with constant angular velocity. This doesn't seem correct. How am I supposed to interpret this problem so that the string never slides anywhere, yet the two masses are still coupled in some way?
 
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dwieker said:
If we assume the length of the pendulum arm to be constant, it seems that the two masses are no longer coupled.
You have nailed it.
 

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