Pendulum with Pivot Moving in Horizontal Circle

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The problem involves determining the equations of motion for a pendulum with a mass hanging from a string, where the pivot point is moving in a horizontal circle at a constant angular velocity. The variables include the mass, length of the string, radius of the circular path, and angular velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to define the coordinates of the mass in relation to the moving pivot and expresses uncertainty about the appropriate coordinate system to use. Some participants suggest that any coordinate system can be chosen, with a preference for one centered at the circle's center. There is also discussion about the validity of the coordinate transformations involving trigonometric functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different coordinate systems and their implications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the choice of coordinate systems and the parametrization of the pendulum's degrees of freedom. The original poster appears to have made progress in resolving their concerns about the coordinate transformations.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the relationship between the pendulum's angle and the pivot's motion, with specific attention to the potential confusion arising from the inclusion of time-dependent terms in the coordinate transformations.

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Homework Statement
The problem is the following: Using a Lagrangian, find the equations of motion of a mass hanging from a massless string, with the pendulum pivot moving in a horizontal circle at constant angular velocity. I take the mass to be m, the length of the string L, the radius of the circle the pivot traces R and the angular velocity ω.

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I believe I am capable of finding the Lagrangian and solving the E-L equations, but I am stuck at defining the coordinates of the mass - it surely needs to be related to the moving pivot but am not sure how, and also don't know which coordinate system I should use.
 
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You can choose any coordinate system you like. Some choices might be easier than others. It is probably useful to have the coordinate system centered at the center of the circle, for example.
The pendulum has two degrees of freedom that you can parametrize.
 
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mfb said:
You can choose any coordinate system you like. Some choices might be easier than others. It is probably useful to have the coordinate system centered at the center of the circle, for example.
The pendulum has two degrees of freedom that you can parametrize.

I think I have found a coordinate system which will work, but I'm still not sure - here is a diagram and the Cartesian coordinates in terms of my chosen parameters (V is the potential energy so don't worry about that):

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Are these valid (I ask because I am a little unsure about the cos/sin ωt terms in the second parts of the x and y transformations)?
 
##\theta## is relative to the x axis? Then you don't need the ##\omega t##. Otherwise you have to add the two angles and take the cosine (sine) of the sum.
 
mfb said:
##\theta## is relative to the x axis? Then you don't need the ##\omega t##. Otherwise you have to add the two angles and take the cosine (sine) of the sum.
Ok, finally worked it out, removing the cos/sin ωt on the ends of the x and y coordinates - thanks for the help!
 

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