Period of a Pendulum (VERY TOUGH differential equation)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the period of a pendulum, particularly focusing on the differential equation governing its motion. Participants explore various approaches to derive the period for pendulums of different lengths, considering both theoretical and practical aspects.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that all pendulums of the same length are isochronous and seeks to derive an equation for the period based on the differential equation \ddot{ \theta} = g \cdot sin( \theta).
  • Another participant suggests that detailed discussions on the topic can be found in textbooks and online resources, mentioning the conservation of energy and phase-space analysis as useful concepts.
  • A third participant claims that the period can be calculated exactly for a pendulum without air resistance for amplitudes less than \pi /2, and questions the correctness of the initial equation, suggesting the use of the small angle approximation or a Taylor series for better results.
  • One participant mentions that the problem can be reduced to an elliptic integral through conservation of energy, indicating a connection to more complex mathematical concepts.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the "inverted pendulum" and its interesting behaviors when driven by a frequency, suggesting it as a related topic of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial differential equation and the methods to solve it. There is no consensus on a single approach or solution, and multiple competing views remain regarding the analysis of the pendulum's motion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the conditions of the pendulum's motion, such as air resistance and amplitude limits, are not fully explored. The discussion includes references to various mathematical techniques and concepts that may not be universally agreed upon.

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I have recently taken an interest in the idea that all pendulums of the same length are isochronous, and am currently trying to figure out an equation for the period of a pendulum of a given length. I started out by trying to find an equation for the angular distance the pendulum travels as a function of time, so I drew some vectors, and this is what it boiled down to:
\ddot{ \theta} = g \cdot sin( \theta)
where theta is angular distance as a function of t (time).
I realize that if I can can solve this differential equation, solve the result for t and convert theta to arc length over radius length, I will have solved the problem, but I have no idea how to solve this differential equation in the first place. Can someone help?
 
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Detailled discussions of this topic can be found in many textbooks on classical mechanics.
A lot is also available on the net.
Start with this: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Pendulum.html.
Look also on wiki and there: http://tabitha.phas.ubc.ca/wiki/index.php/Hamilton's_Equations .
The conservation of energy is useful to look at.
Look also for a "phase-space" analysis of this system.
Of interrest: the stability of the trajectory near the "x-point", a starting point for studying chaotic motion.

But, of course your choice depends on your background and your own objectives.
 
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For a pendulum without air resistance, you can calculate the period exactly for an arbitary amplitude less than \pi /2[/tex] (after which, the pendulum free falls) from the energy equation<br /> <br /> Your equation looks incorrect. Did you draw the FBD of the pendulum properly? Once you get it, to solve the pendulum equation, you might want to try to<br /> a) Make the small angle approximation<br /> b) Make a better approximation with a taylor series, and then solve the DE
 
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You can reduce the problem (through conservation of energy) to what's called an elliptic integral. This leads you to a study of elliptic integrals, and their various limits, which is of some interest.

Another interesting problem is the so-called "inverted pendulum" where you drive its base with a frequency \omega. This leads to all manner of cool behavior, including eventually a stabile fixed point standing straight up!
 

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