Periodic or not? Determine the wave function

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The discussion revolves around determining the wave function of a graph that is claimed to be periodic. The context involves an assignment related to biorhythms, where the original poster is tasked with identifying periodic motion within a given set of data points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the nature of the graph and question its context, including whether it represents real data or is merely fabricated. There are discussions about the potential for noise in the data and the challenges of fitting a sine wave to it. Some participants suggest examining the relationship between the x-axis and y-axis values to identify periodic characteristics.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the challenges of fitting a sine wave to the data. There is recognition of the need to identify troughs and peaks in the graph, and some guidance is provided regarding the concepts of amplitude and phase. However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the assignment is framed within the context of biorhythms, which some view skeptically. The original poster clarifies that they are required to work with the data despite personal beliefs about its validity. The graph's axes and the nature of the data are also under scrutiny, with questions about their significance.

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The following picture is supposedly periodic (or at least my teacher says so). Could anybody suggest where I begin in order to determine the wave function for this messy graph. Please see the attached for the graph.
 

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What is the graph supposed to represent? What's the context?
What level are you doing this at?

It could be noisy data.
 
Very basic, nothing like Fourier analysis. Only sine and cosine waves unfortunately. It is more of a "try and recognise the periodic nature of the wave" task. The purpose of it is for biorhythms, unfortunately I have to find periodic motion within the graph otherwise I get a lower grade.
 
So it's just a bunch of made-up numbers?
The scales on the axis don't mean anything?
It's not, say, the time for a particular number of heartbeats taken each morning?
Context is everything.

Certainly looks nothing like a sine wave unless it's very noisy

Biorhythms? The attempt to predict various aspects of a person's life through simple mathematical cycles?
That would be pseudoscience.

Proponents are always finding cycles in noise... you start out by assuming it's there.
i.e. squint and blur your eyes and stand on your head and smoke something illegal you see it has a trough at about day 25 and another one at about day 145. Like I said: not science.
 
I understand where you're coming from but it is slightly different to what you're thinking. I was given sample data for an assignment. I by no means subscribe to biorhythms but I have to pretend I do so I can complete this assignment. The x-axis represents the days in increments of 4and the y-axis represents the time taken to complete a task. Supposedly there is meant to be a relationship between the days and the time taken such that it forms a wave. Regardless of whether or not I believe in biorhythms I have to find one [wave function] present within the graph given so I can pass.
 
Cool - so we are trying to fit a sine wave to noisy data.
Did you learn about curve fitting in class at all?

It could be a problem ... where you are supposed to disprove the authoritatively stated hypothesis - like Marie Curie and the goldfish?

Anyway - like I said - you can see parts of the graph where the data tends to favor low values and parts where it tends to favor high ones. Those would correspond to troughs and peaks of a sine wave - which tells you the period. I take it figuring the amplitude is no problem? That leaves the phase.
 

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