Permeability of copper in the microwave frequency range

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the permeability of copper in the microwave frequency range, specifically in the GHz range. Participants explore theoretical models, data sources, and the implications of frequency on the material's properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the relative DC permeability of copper is 1 and suggests that permeability should change with frequency due to the dispersive nature of conductors.
  • Another participant shares a link to a resource discussing classical models, implying it may provide relevant insights into the topic.
  • A different participant recalls issues with applying the Drude model to diamagnetics, referencing Kramers-Kronig relations as a potential complication.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about significant changes in copper's permeability in the GHz range, suggesting that the field may not penetrate much beyond the skin depth and questions the value of more detailed models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of frequency on the permeability of copper, with some questioning the applicability of certain models and others suggesting that changes may be minimal. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the impact of detailed models.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference classical models and potential limitations in applying them to the specific case of copper's permeability at microwave frequencies, but do not resolve these issues.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students interested in material properties at high frequencies, particularly in the context of electromagnetism and applied physics.

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Relative DC permeability of copper is 1. Conductors are considered dispersive and therefore the permeability should change with frequency. Where can I find data or how can I calculate permeability of copper in Ghz frequency range?
 
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This looks to be an interesting read that covers some simple classical models.

http://emlab.utep.edu/ee5390em21/Lecture%202%20--%20Lorentz%20and%20Drude%20models.pdf
 
When I was doing google search before the post I saw this one too. It was a long time ago when I studied electrodynamics but if I remember correctly there is a problem with using Drude model for diamagnetics because of Kramers - Kroning relations.
 
Well, okay. My take on this is in the GHz range not much is going on in the permeability of copper just based on the general physics outlined in the linked pdf. I don't expect the field to extend into the copper much more than a skin depth. Do you expect answers from a more detailed model will be significant and if so, how so?
 

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