Permeability of Iron: How Does It Affect Electromagnets?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the permeability of iron and its effects on electromagnets, exploring how magnetic fields interact with iron, the nature of magnetic field propagation, and the behavior of electromagnetic waves in iron. Participants delve into theoretical aspects, practical implications, and the underlying physics of these interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that iron is used in electromagnets to create a stronger magnetic field, but the exact nature of this effect is questioned.
  • There is a discussion about whether magnetic fields are slowed down when traveling through iron, with some asserting that they are indeed slowed down.
  • Participants debate the concept of magnetic field propagation, with one suggesting that magnetic fields do not have a velocity in the traditional sense.
  • Some participants describe a model comparing magnetic field lines to a wire cutting through cheese, suggesting that the field lines can be slowed down by magnetic materials.
  • Questions arise regarding the speed of electromagnetic waves in materials, with references to permeability, permittivity, and resistivity as influencing factors.
  • There is uncertainty about how electromagnetic waves interact with iron, including whether reflections occur and how the waves travel through the material.
  • Participants discuss whether iron acts as a good conductor or dielectric, with a consensus leaning towards iron being a good conductor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of magnetic field propagation and the behavior of electromagnetic waves in iron. There is no consensus on several key points, including the exact mechanics of how magnetic fields interact with iron and the implications for electromagnetic wave behavior.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in understanding arise from the complexity of electromagnetic theory, including the distinction between different types of magnetic fields and the behavior of waves in conductive materials. Some models presented are noted to be oversimplified.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, materials science, or electrical engineering, particularly in understanding the interactions between magnetic fields and conductive materials like iron.

  • #31
I know I change my mind often but hear me out on this. I'm changing back to iron core solenoids, but the frequency will be lower. So how high of a frequency can you have before it just reflects off the iron?

And yes, I do change my mind, but that is only in response to changing information. That's just science at work.
 

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