How Many Odd 4-Digit Numbers with a 4 Can Be Formed from Digits 0-7?

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To determine the number of odd 4-digit numbers containing the digit 4 and using distinct digits from 0 to 7, three cases are considered based on the position of 4. When 4 is in the first position, there are 120 combinations; in the second position, there are 80; and in the third position, there are also 80, totaling 280 combinations. An alternative approach calculates the total as 360 by choosing the position for 4, selecting an odd digit for the last slot, and filling the remaining slots with distinct digits. The final total of valid odd 4-digit numbers with a 4 is therefore 360.
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Homework Statement


Determine how many odd 4-digit numbers with all of the digits different can be made from the digits 0 to 7 if there must be a 4 in the number.


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First way (the "4" in the first spot) 1X6X5X4=120
2nd way ("4" in second spot) 5X1X4X4=80
3rd way ("4 in third spot) 5X4X1X4=80 for a total of 280 ways
 
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kerrwilk said:

Homework Statement


Determine how many odd 4-digit numbers with all of the digits different can be made from the digits 0 to 7 if there must be a 4 in the number.

This might be an easier way of looking at the problem. So if I understand correctly, we want to find all 4-digit numbers such that a 4 resides in the first, second, or third slot, a member from {1,3,5,7} resides in the last slot, and members from {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7} remain in the remaining two slots where all 4 digits are distinct.

So 0143 and 5427 are examples of valid numbers.

So think of there as being 4 slots, so we have:

_ _ _ _

First, choose a slot for the 4 to reside in. There are 3 ways of doing this. (Do you know why?)

So now that we have chosen a slot for the 4, choose an odd number to reside in the last slot (since the 4-digit number itself must be odd). There are 4 odd numbers between 0 and 7: 1,3,5,7. So there are 4 ways of doing this.

Now, let's choose a number to reside in the second slot. Remember, at this stage there are only 6 numbers left to choose from between 0 and 7, since we already placed the 4 and we already placed an odd number in {0,1,2,..,7}. So there are 6 ways to do this.

Lastly, place a number in the 3rd slot. There are 5 numbers to choose from.

So by the multiplication principle, we get: 3*4*6*5 = 360 possibilities
 
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