Peskin & Schroeder p. 285, change of variables integration measure

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The discussion revolves around the integration measure for the path integral in the context of a unitary change of variables, specifically in a 4D spacetime lattice as presented in Peskin & Schroeder. Participants explore the implications of expanding field variables in a Fourier series and the treatment of complex fields in terms of real and imaginary parts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the real and imaginary parts of \(\phi(k_n)\) are treated as independent variables in the integration measure.
  • Another participant explains that the functional measure requires parameterizing complex fields using two real numbers, leading to an integration measure expressed as \(d Re\phi \, d Im\phi\).
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the change of variables from \(\phi(x_i)\) to \(\phi(k_n)\), suggesting that a factor of \(V^{1/n}\) should arise from the Fourier series expansion.
  • Another participant suggests that the factor \(1/V\) may appear in the full integral expression rather than the measure alone.
  • Concerns are raised about the Jacobian associated with the transformation from \(\phi(k_n)\) to its real and imaginary components, with a suggestion that a specific parameterization might be necessary for the Jacobian to equal one.
  • A participant reflects on the unitary nature of the transformation, indicating that it may imply a Jacobian with unit modulus, but expresses difficulty in verifying this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the integration measure and the implications of the change of variables. There is no consensus on the treatment of the Jacobian or the presence of additional factors in the measure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in their understanding of the Jacobian and the implications of the Fourier transform, as well as the treatment of the measure in the context of the path integral.

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I had a question about about the integration measure for the path integral after a unitary change of variables. First they consider a 4D spacetime lattice with volume L^4. The measure is
<br /> \mathcal{D}\phi = \prod_i d\phi(x_i)<br />

They expand the field variables in a Fourier series \phi(x_i)=\frac{1}{V}\sum_n e^{-ik_n\cdot x_i}\phi(k_n). My questions are as follows:
1) Why do they consider the real and imaginary parts of \phi(k_n) as independent variables?
2) Why do they re-write the measure as
<br /> \mathcal{D}\phi(x)=\prod_{k_n^0&gt;0}dRe\phi(k_n)dIm \phi(k_n)<br />

I've never seen a measure re-written like that, I was wondering what allows them to do so.

There's already a thread about this here but I wasn't comfortable bumping a three year old thread, and the response didn't clear up my confusion.

I appreciate any help.
 
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Bear in mind that this is a functional measure. That means that what they're trying to do is consider every possible value that \phi(k) could take on at position k_i. Since the Fourier transform requires \phi to be complex, we need a way to parameterize all of the complex plane. We can do this by defining \phi in terms of two real numbers a and b, by setting \phi(k) = a(k) + i b(k), and integrating both of them over the entire real line, leading to an integration measure of da\:db. Writing d Re\phi\:d Im\phi is just another way of saying the same thing.
 
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I think I understand that part now, thanks. I do have a problem still with the change of variables from \phi(x_i)\to\phi(k_n). I might be missing something, but there would presumably be a factor of V^{1/n} from the 1/V factor in the Fourier series expansion. And then when I transform from \phi(k_n)\phi^*(k_n)\to Re \phi(k_n)Im \phi(k_n) I get a Jacobian that's not equal to 1.
 
For your first question, I think the answer is that we're just dealing with the measure, not the full integral. So the 1/V will probably show up in the full integral expression.

As for the Jacobian of the measure, that one may have been my fault--I think you need to define the parameterization as \phi = \frac{a + ib}{\sqrt{2}} or something like that in order for the Jacobian to work out correctly.
 
Well the reason I thought there would be a factor is because, unless I'm doing something wrong, I thought the jacobian for \phi(x_i)\to\phi(k_n) is \frac{1}{V}e^{-ik_n\cdot x_i}. Although now that I think about it, they do say that it is a unitary transformation, so presumably the Jacobian would have unit modulus, but I'm having difficulties checking that.
 

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