PF should be a champion of responsible use of Science

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The discussion highlights concerns about the global water supply and quality issues, emphasizing that the forum should extend beyond technical discussions to include responsible scientific practices. Participants express that while science itself is amoral, its application can have significant societal implications, suggesting that the forum should address ethical considerations. There is a debate on whether the forum's mission should include advocacy for responsible science use, with some arguing that it could complicate discussions and lead to contentious debates. The need for a balance between established scientific facts and moral considerations is acknowledged, with calls for broader thinking in discussions. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the importance of integrating ethical dimensions into scientific discourse while maintaining the forum's focus on factual information.
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sophiecentaur said:
That incident was pretty one dimensional. Was there any more if a moral issue than there is about other dangerous sports?

It upset me that the son was scared and didn’t want to go. His rich dad had his own way - prolly as usual. Controlling behaviour in the family doesn’t often clash with Science.
Yeah the 19 year old got to me a little bit. My Niece is smarter than me, 18 but she trusts me. The Human part hit a spot with anyone who has kids.
So, that was discussed a little bit, as an aside I think respectfully.

On the bigger stuff? Covid is a good example.

It is still going on in terms of vaccinations and there is a huge political and cultural element
 
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I am inclined to be much more rigid regarding the role of science in the public sphere. To me it represents the only reasonable means by which human beings can reach general concensus for collective action. I believe it is the central founding principle elicidated by Mr Jefferson (the existence of self-evident truths: a very scientific notion) My purpose in any public forum is to promulgate understanding of the science with this in mind, and the Forum would do well to provide this latitude.
 
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phinds said:
The things I'm talking about are what we all(?) have running in the back of our minds all the time. It's one of those balls that we should all be trying to keep in the air at all times - even on a dry forum about car exhausts. I guess my question is why suppress them on a forum like PF?

Seriously, I'm not after any revolutionary change; just a willingness to consider issues outside the linear world when it's called for. Is that something that one would want to escape from?
pinball1970 said:
It is still going on in terms of vaccinations and there is a huge political and cultural element
When people feel threatened, they lose their logic. Ignore that and there is no point to any discussion about what's best for them.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I guess my question is why suppress them on a forum like PF?
Seems to me like you have answered your own question:
sophiecentaur said:
When people feel threatened, they lose their logic. Ignore that and there is no point to any discussion about what's best for them.
 
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phinds said:
Seems to me like you have answered your own question:
sophiecentaur said:
When people feel threatened, they lose their logic. Ignore that and there is no point to any discussion about what's best for them.

Strange, the way you have read this. You paint a very bleak picture of PF.
You think PF is a threatening environment in which we need to defend ourselves? When I wrote that post, the idea could not have been further from my thoughts; I was referring to illogical anti-vaxers (conspiracy theorists etc.) who have been got at and have taken fear on board.

I have read many negative opinions about my idea, could that fear be a common problem, even on PF. Or it could be the quest for an carefree life; pass the soma.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I have read many negative opinions about my idea, could that fear be a common problem, even on PF. Or it could be the quest for an carefree life; pass the soma.
"Social Responsibility" is a doomed/verboten/banned/hopeless topic for PF; very much as is this thread. I'll confess a morbid fascination awaiting its disappearance, but, with that, I'm out of here...someone else can "file the report."
 
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...and I think that's a good place to end it. Opinions have been heard.
 
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