Phase, group velocity and energy

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This discussion focuses on the concepts of phase velocity and group velocity in electromagnetic (EM) waves. It establishes that phase velocity can exceed the speed of light (c) without carrying information or energy, while group velocity is responsible for the propagation of energy and information. The relationship between wave amplitude and energy is highlighted, emphasizing that the envelope of the wave, associated with group velocity, is crucial for understanding energy transfer. Poynting's theorem is mentioned, indicating its relevance in the context of energy flow in waves.

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  • Understanding of electromagnetic wave theory
  • Familiarity with phase and group velocity definitions
  • Knowledge of Poynting's theorem
  • Basic concepts of wave amplitude and energy relationships
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  • Study the mathematical derivation of phase and group velocity
  • Explore the implications of Poynting's theorem in wave energy transfer
  • Investigate the relationship between wave number and wavelength in EM waves
  • Learn about the significance of wave envelopes in signal transmission
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I'm studying EM waves right now and I don't understand phase and group velocity very well. I know the definitions of phase and group velocity from here and what they look like from http://www.csupomona.edu/~ajm/materials/animations/packets.html .
What I don't understand is why phase velocity does not carry information/energy where as group velocity does. phase velocity can exceed speed of light c because of this. To me, it doesn't make much sense what it means for phase velocity to exceed c. I look at it as k (wave number) approaching 0 so wavelength goes to infinity... But shouldn't poynting's theorem still apply for such a wave? namely a wave with phase velocity > c still carries energy. I think I'm confusing several issues here.
 
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Essentially, the energy of a wave is dependent on the amplitude, which is why the envelope of the wave is associated with the energy of the wave rather than the rapid oscillatory component.

The group velocity thus features in equations for power flow and energy and so forth because the group velocity describes the propagation of the envelope.

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