Photographic 'Circular Polarisers': what are they?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functionality and effectiveness of circular polarizers in photography, particularly in landscape photography. Participants explore the technical aspects of how circular polarizers work compared to linear polarizers, including their interaction with camera autofocus systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experience using linear polarizers to enhance landscape photographs by reducing reflections and haze.
  • Another participant explains that circular polarizers consist of a linear polarizer followed by a quarter wave plate, which is necessary for cameras with beam splitter autofocus systems.
  • A different participant expresses skepticism about the effectiveness of circular polarizers, noting potential limitations of the retarder used in these filters.
  • One participant mentions that their camera functions well with a traditional polarizer, indicating a lack of concern for the benefits of circular polarizers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and effectiveness of circular polarizers, with some supporting their use due to autofocus compatibility, while others question their performance and express satisfaction with linear polarizers.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the actual performance of circular polarizers compared to linear ones, particularly in terms of achromatic behavior and acceptance angles of retarders.

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For years, I have been using a rotatable linear polariser to improve landscape photographs.
They work very well at reducing the reflections from water, reduce the effects of haze and generally sex-up pictures.
I thought the reason was quite simply that they reject on particular polarisation plane.
The latest thing, on Photo Forums, seems to be the 'Circular Polariser', which is claimed to have a similar effect and which is marketed by Hoya, for example. These filters are also rotatable.
I queried what they did and was told that they do the same enhancement of landscape pictures and that one could be used in conjunction with linear polariser to get cancellation (as with crossed polaroids) at a particular angle.

You can produce circularly polarised light fairly easily with a quarter wave plate system but I don't see how that can select / reject one particular polarisation - because the E vector rotates to every angular value.

Am I missing something here? Is it just an advertiser's way of renaming a Round, Rotatable Polariser as a Circular Polariser or is there some genuine effect here?
 
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Circular polarizer filters are a linear polarizer (to select one polarization) followed by a quarter wave plate to generate circular polarization again.
The only reason to use a circular is if you have a camera where the autofocus uses a beam splitter to take off part of the light (which is pretty much all of them)
 
Thanks. That make sense.
So, yet again, I must dig deep in my pockets!
 
I'd be surprised if those circular polarizers work that well- the polarizer may be very achromatic, but the retarder is likely not. In addition, the acceptance angle of a retarder is usually small. At least, the achromatic retarders I have seen (Fresnel rhombs) are very large and have small aceptance angles.
 
I just checked. My pentax k10 focusses perfectly well with an old fashioned polariser. So I just don't care! So there, Mr. Hoya.
 

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