Physical relays required from SOP with 2 outputs

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and specification of relays for controlling two outputs in a biological safety cabinet application. Participants explore the use of relay logic to manage inputs and outputs without employing logic gates or PLC programming.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a truth table and proposes using three 12 V coil relays, suggesting a DPDT relay for input B but later corrects this to an SPDT relay.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of using direct inputs to the relays instead of logic gates to simplify the control signals.
  • A participant clarifies the application context, stating the need for relay logic due to constraints on using PLC programming for an in-field replacement kit.
  • There is a suggestion to daisy chain relay contacts to manage the conditional relay coils, along with the idea of using diodes to control current flow through the relay coils based on input combinations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the optimal relay configuration and wiring. There is no consensus on the best approach to implement the relay logic, and multiple views on the wiring and relay types remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their approach due to the need for relay logic rather than more modern control methods, which may affect the design choices and complexity of the wiring.

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Hi all,

I'm looking to control two outputs using (3) 12 V coil relays, with the SOP of the truth table listed as below:

A' B C' + A' B C
simplified to:
= A' B ( C + C')
= A' B ----> Y0

A B C' + A' B C'
simplified to:
= B C' (A + A')
=B C' ------> Y1

The problem I am having is to spec out the required relays to make this work. As you can see input B is common to both outputs, so I am expecting to use a DPDT for Relay B, but am not completely certain.

Any help provided with specing the required relays and the wiring is greatly appreciated.
 
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I made a mistake, I would be using a SPDT relay for "input B", in this case an indication of when a blower is turning on. I am getting a bit befuddled on my wiring from the relay contacts from input A -> input B however.
 
Anyone have any input?
 
littlej040 said:
Hi all,

I'm looking to control two outputs using (3) 12 V coil relays, with the SOP of the truth table listed as below:

A' B C' + A' B C
simplified to:
= A' B ( C + C')
= A' B ----> Y0

A B C' + A' B C'
simplified to:
= B C' (A + A')
=B C' ------> Y1

The problem I am having is to spec out the required relays to make this work. As you can see input B is common to both outputs, so I am expecting to use a DPDT for Relay B, but am not completely certain.

Any help provided with specing the required relays and the wiring is greatly appreciated.

littlej040 said:
I made a mistake, I would be using a SPDT relay for "input B", in this case an indication of when a blower is turning on. I am getting a bit befuddled on my wiring from the relay contacts from input A -> input B however.

What is the context of the question? What is the application?

Are you saying that you have to use the inputs straight to the relays, instead of using logic gates to give you a single signal to drive each relay? Why?
 
The application is for a biological safety cabinet in which I am trying to control power to an external airflow monitor and blower enabling switch. I am limited to using strictly relay logic vs. other methods due to the fact that I will have to be doing this as an "in field" replacement kit for some of our older products.

I would have much preferred to do this with a simple PLC program, but am limited by what the customers have. I keep running down the same road where I am trying to switch outputs simply using dry relay contacts, but realize I need to daisy chain contacts to the conditional relays coils.
 
littlej040 said:
The application is for a biological safety cabinet in which I am trying to control power to an external airflow monitor and blower enabling switch. I am limited to using strictly relay logic vs. other methods due to the fact that I will have to be doing this as an "in field" replacement kit for some of our older products.

I would have much preferred to do this with a simple PLC program, but am limited by what the customers have. I keep running down the same road where I am trying to switch outputs simply using dry relay contacts, but realize I need to daisy chain contacts to the conditional relays coils.

So it looks like for each of the relays, you need one input low and the other input high. Can you use this low/high combination to drive the ends of the coil for each relay? You can put a diode in series to select which low/high combination will drive current through the coil.
 

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