Physics final prep, question about force under water at depth h

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional force between a plug and the wall of a pipe in a dam scenario. The initial approach involved using absolute pressure, incorporating atmospheric pressure, but the solution manual suggests using only gauge pressure. The reasoning is that the atmospheric pressure on the dry side of the plug cancels out, leaving only the gauge pressure acting on the plug. This leads to the conclusion that the frictional force is determined solely by the gauge pressure, represented by ρgh. Understanding this distinction is crucial for accurately solving the problem.
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The question states: The fresh water behind a reservoir dam has depth D=15 meters. A horizontal pipe 4.0cm in diameter passes through the dam at depth d=6.0m. A plug secures the pipe opening. (a) Find the magnitude of the frictional force between plug and pipe wall.

Initially when I did this problem I found the pressure at this point with p = p(atm) + ρgh, where h = 6.0 meters. I then used the Force equation F=pA and used the area of the circular pipe with radius .02 meters. So my friction force, which is in equilibrium, should be equal to the force pushing from the water, F= (p(atm) + ρgh) * πr^2.

However, when I look at the solutions manual, they have F = ρgh * πr^2. I'm not sure I understand why this is the case -- it seems to me that they are using the gauge pressure here to determine the force of the water. Why would we use the pressure as ρgh and not p(atm) + ρgh?
 
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That's because there is atmopherisc pressure on the 'dry' side of the plug...'canceling' out the P_atm force part of the absolute water pressure...such that the net pressure on the plug is just the gauge pressure
 
Ahh, pressing on the other side of the plug. Thank you!
 
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